Shots fired at Trump during rally

this might help…

 

No, it’s not fair to say that. It’s fair to say it’s my opinion. I suspect it’s fairer to say that you’re afraid of it being the case due to the possible political ramifications.

Again, my opinion is that normal non-gun nuts don’t rock niche gun YouTube channel shirts. Now reports of him being around guns his whole life and trying out for his school’s shooting team have surfaced. We’ll see how it lands but my prediction is unambiguous.

 

I wasn’t saying “you” as in Demosthenes wants people to think that. I was saying “you” as in the shooter. If you’re on a suicide mission wearing a gun tuber shirt, it is fair to think that you wanted to be seen in said shirt, but why isn’t known simply based on that. There’s a lot we don’t know as to his motivations. Might be someone in the gun community that snapped. Might also be someone not from the gun community that wants everyone to think he is but harbored other views. The former option actually leaves me with more questions as while there are many opinions about trump in the 2A community, almost universally it is agreed that any other option is worse for the 2A.

 

Does that armor protect the sides? My understanding is that is front-back protection. With the angle the shooter fired from you’d need side protection.

 

Ok, didn’t pick that up.

To me that is too far into the conspiracy theory realm. The guy allegedly regularly wore camo to school. I haven’t read anything that leads me to believe he was into firearms except possibly that it was not his weapon but his father’s.

 

It can, absolutely. Many plate carriers for ceramic or steel plates have the option to have hard or soft side inserts. Flexible armor absolutely can include side coverage.

ETA: President Bush threw out the first pitch of the post-9/11 World Series in complete coverage Level IV body armor under his jacket. You’d be surprised how much protection you can get relatively covertly if money is no object

 

his father purchased the weapon from what I understand. The shooter could not do so legally. Also keep in mind that there are people who like guns and people who support the 2nd amendment. There is significant overlap but they aren’t always the same. The liberalgunowners subreddit comes to mind as an example of people who like guns but don’t support the 2nd amendment; also many hunters and other sportsmen. That group also included shooters like the buffalo and Nashville shooters though. Just because the guy wore camo and grew up around guns does not mean he shared the point of view of the 2nd amendment community at large

 

The slogan isn't negative, the behavior coming from the people saying it definitely is tho.

 

I feel like you've spent the last few days snuffing out false narratives and fake news from various posters. It must get tiring after a while.

 

If we're defining the Second Amendment by what the conservative legal movement believes it to be, sure.

 

Fair, but the merits of that discussion are a bit outside of the scope of the point I was trying to make here:

that it isn’t unheard of for folks who actually do oppose or even violently oppose any conservative ideals to attempt to carry out heinous acts using weapons they personally don’t believe in so as to do some sort of damage to those ideals in the court of public opinion.

to be fair, crazies on either side (all sides?) have been guilty of heinous acts draped in hypocrisy in the name of hurting their political opponents’ movements, so don’t take this as me trying to paint any group in particular as more or less guilty of this other than crazies of any persuasion/belief/position

 

I don't think that's debatable. Guns are widely available and very effective at killing. You get a mentally ill person worked up over politics, and they're going to use the best tool available to do them if they want to do harm.

 

Unbelievable. People literally filming him crawling on the rooftop and he still gets shots off. This shouldn’t have even taken the Secret Service to handle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/qI1OqBjVjd

 

well the guy apparently had explosives in his vehicle too. Thank God they never came into play.

and honestly, maybe we all (not saying folks here in particular, but the machine) shouldn’t get each other so worked up over politics. At some point we’ve stopped seeing each other as people and lost the ability to have empathy for each other. Eventually something like this is the inevitable result. Our leaders should be setting the example, but none of them truly do and we all collectively and systemically reward them for it.

 

A semantic issue comically demonstrated by Stephen Colbert in 2012: “America Again. Re-becoming the greatness we never weren’t”

 

Fairly spot on

 

The hate for others espoused by MAGA will stop America from being great. Hate don't make great

 

The video of the attack and chants of hang Mike Pence aren't a spoon fed narrative. If you can't see that as an attack, you are consciously ignoring the facts

 

If you've got them there's a day you may legitimately need them. Maybe a bear is attacking the family dog. Maybe someone is entering your house. Maybe liberals are coming to steal your guns.

Better to take a little time and learn to use them right, because hopefully the day never comes where you wish you did.

 

Do you think djt knows what empathy is or has any?