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Victor Davis Hanson Comparison of US Now and the Soviet Union Then

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ETGator1, Jul 12, 2024.

  1. Gatorrick22

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    At least Biden is NOT in a wheelchair... He can still fake like he can walk around on his own.
     
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  2. AgingGator

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    Bullshit
     
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  3. AgingGator

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    it’s best put your brain in gear before putting your mouth (of fingers) in motion. That was both schools. Please try again later.
     
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  4. ursidman

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    Simmer down. Was just humor from the way you wrote the sentence
     
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  5. BLING

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    I could see some arguments against busing, it is wasteful in terms of fuel and time. But obviously the freakshows out there protesting integration during civil rights weren’t doing so because of fuel waste.

    Obviously the way “separate but equal” worked was a joke, and arguably still the issue now wherever there is a school on “the other side of the tracks” that gets neglected compared to a nice school near a ritzy neighborhood. That scenario should never exist anywhere public dollars are involved, it’s basically back to separate but unequal. I don’t think school choice solves this either, because the “choices” in a lot of cases end up being poor.
     
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  6. gatordavisl

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    Wrong. It was a Dem controlled congress. You can, however, laud the northern pubs who voted for the act, helping to achieve what was then a 2/3 vote.

    U.S. Senate: Landmark Legislation: The Civil Rights Act of 1964.
     
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  7. BLING

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  8. ursidman

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    Yep, conservative southern Democrats voted against it for the most part but it passed because enough progressive northern Republicans voted for it.

    Obviously different times
     
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  9. BigCypressGator1981

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    So you had no opposition to desegregation before or when it was happening? Just want to get you on record here before I go pull the receipts.
     
  10. gatordavisl

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    Claims pub congress, criticizes another poster for not knowing history.
    Doubles down on pub congress claim.
    Claims other poster is lazy for "not knowing the makeup of the congress in 1964." Let's check the facts . . .

    At the time, a two-thirds vote, or sixty-seven senators, was required to invoke cloture and cut off debate in the Senate. Since southern Democrats opposed the legislation, votes from a substantial number of senators in the Republican minority would be needed to end the filibuster.
    U.S. Senate: Landmark Legislation: The Civil Rights Act of 1964.
     
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  11. BigCypressGator1981

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    I just think it’s hilarious that apparently none of our resident social “conservatives” were conservative on any of the issues where conservatism was abhorrently wrong in the last 60 years. Which is basically all of them.
     
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  12. VAg8r1

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    It was a fact. The price at the pump did peak at $5.09 in June 2022, it was $3.59 when I posted around 10 days ago. It's dropped to $3.49 since then.
    By the way, this was the average price per gallon at the pump nationally in 2022.
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. ETGator1

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    Mea Culpa. The congress in 1964 was controlled by democrats in the house and senate.

    I am not wrong that Lincoln freed the slaves, a republican.

    Here is what you need to know about the vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

    FACT: The Act does not pass the house without a large of percentage of republicans voting for it. These racist as you call us republicans voted yes in higher percentage numbers than democrats who opposed the legislation.

    Yes - Democrats 153/62.90%
    Yes - Republicans 136/79.53%
    No - Democrats 91/37.30%
    No - Republicans 35/20.47%
    Voted Present - 4, 2 democrats and 2 republicans
    Not Voting - 12, 7 democrats and 5 republicans
    Vacancy - 1

    FACT: Similar to the house, republicans voted yes in higher percentage numbers than democrats. Without these racist republicans, the Act would have failed in the senate as well where the threshold is 60 to pass legislation.

    Yes - Democrats 46/68.66%
    Yes - Republicans 27/81.82%
    No - Democrats 21/31.34%
    No - Republicans 6/18.18%

    As you can see, what should have been a slam dunk yes would have failed in the senate with only your non-racist democratic party.

    It took republicans in both chambers voting yes for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to be passed and then forwarded to Johnson for his signature.

    Did you bother to look up Boston bussing in the early 70s to achieve integration and Senator Biden's position on same? Do yourself a favor and look it up. Maybe this from Kamala Harris in the debates will convince you Biden isn't what he claims to be:

    Bing Videos

    This may be why Biden has been so unwilling to step down. I read in several places that Jill Biden took this debate on bussing as Harris implicitly stating Joe Biden is a racist and there has been almost a blood feud of hate between Jill and Kamala. Jill didn't want Harris on the ticket, and she doesn't want Harris as president.

    I also recommended you look up Senator Byrd and his relationship with then Senator Biden. You'll find some serious baggage with Senator Byrd, a well-respected democrat in life and in death.
     
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  14. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Correct but you’re too biased to appreciate it.
    Sad.
     
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  15. mdgator05

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    Also fact: The Republican Party chose to nominate one of those no votes on the Civil Rights Act for President in 1964. Thus, the process of the shifting position on racial issue begins in earnest. Possibly the most visible supporter of that "no" on civil rights voter? Ronald Reagan.
     
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  16. ETGator1

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    I still remember the cheers we came up with. We actually did these at football games:

    Whoz Whoz Whoz are we, wez wez Booker T. It was hilarious with all of the blacks and whites joining in. The games themselves weren't too good, PHS beat us 40-20. However, a good PHS team went down the toilet when all of the rioting broke out. Didn't matter, we were just having fun.

    We actually did this one too:

    Chewing tobacco, chewing tobacco, spit it on a wall, Booker T. Washington best of all.

    All of this was back when the school was on Texar Drive next to the railroad overpass.

    The head football coach was Coach Sherman Robinson who went on to be the principal for quite a while. I actually went out for the football team as a junior. I wanted to play LB, but at 135 lbs., it didn't take me long for me to let coach know I was giving up on be pushed around by the bigger boys. To his credit, he didn't advise me to not try out to start with.

    Those of us that were told we would be going to Washington after our sophomore year by Coach Shorty Ward at PHS took offense that he didn't give a rip, was downright rude about it, that we were being forced out at PHS. One of the reasons we worked out so well at Washington was that we felt the way we were told to leave was so humiliating that we decided to make the best of it, that we did having a ball doing it.

    Back in the day, PHS was the school we racist white people grew up dreaming of going to. All things considered, the move to integrate at WHS didn't turn out badly at all.

    I've quit going to high school reunions, but there used to be a joint PHS/WHS reunion that my wife and I went to. People that we grew up with in elementary and junior high, middle schools today, were just about equally split between the two schools. They were always fun gatherings.
     
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  17. BigCypressGator1981

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    cool stories and thanks for sharing. But your personal experience aside I still maintain that CONSERVATIVES fought against desegregation while PROGRESSIVES fought for it. Do you disagree with this overall sentiment?
     
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  18. BigCypressGator1981

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    Washington High is the white kid school now which is funny. PHS needed the IB program infused into it to keep it from closing due to terrible testing scores. When I went to IB @ PHS I was in a clear minority as a white person.
     
  19. VAg8r1

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    The overwhelming majority of Republicans did vote for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Fair Housing Act of 1968. Today's Republican Party is much more like the Southern Democrats/Dixiecrats than it is like the Republican Party of the 1960s. In fact a number of Southern Democrats have become Republicans among them the late Strom Thurmond who ran for president on the Dixiecrat ticket in 1948 in protest of the civil rights plank in the platform of the Democratic Party that year. Jesse Helms and Jeff Sessions were originally Southern Democrats who became Republicans. The John Lewis Voting Rights Act passed the House in 2021 and was blocked by Republicans in the Senate. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of 1960s Republicans would be called RINOs and would be excommunicated from the party by today's MAGA Republicans.
     
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  20. BigCypressGator1981

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    LOL @ETGator just hitting me with the “disagree.” Care to explain yourself? Are you really trying to argue conservatives were not opposed to desegregation? Lol. At least make an attempt to operate in reality.
     
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