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June, July, & August 2024 CPI & PPI not what Fed Reserve Needs for rate policy change

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ETGator1, Jul 11, 2024.

  1. gatorpa

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    Even money bet they won’t cut until after the election.
    The FED is being very cautious as they should be at this time.
     
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  2. gtr2x

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    Cuts, no cuts, remains to be seen .

    FWIW, the boys and girls on wall street seem to like the direction of the economy. My portfolio is looking pretty good these days. :)
     
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  4. gatordavisl

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    Retirement plans are killin, not to mention the gov bonds that are yielding a fat %. Then there's liquid cash in high interest-bearing savings. I never hear folks mention it. Do they not have retirement accounts? Stocks? Bonds?
     
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  5. ETGator1

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    More confirmation that the Fed Reserve won't move to a new position of interest rate cuts:

    Producer Price Index News Release summary - 2024 M06 Results (bls.gov)

    The Producer Price Index for final demand advanced 0.2 percent in June, seasonally adjusted, the
    U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Final demand prices were unchanged in May and
    increased 0.5 percent in April. (See table A.) On an unadjusted basis, the index for final demand
    rose 2.6 percent for the 12 months ended in June, the largest advance since moving up 2.7
    percent for the 12 months ended March 2023.

    The June rise in the index for final demand can be traced to a 0.6-percent increase in prices for
    final demand services. In contrast, the index for final demand goods decreased 0.5 percent.

    Prices for final demand less foods, energy, and trade services were unchanged in June following
    a 0.2-percent advance in May. For the 12 months ended in June, the index for final demand less
    foods, energy, and trade services moved up 3.1 percent.


    The PPI is up .2%, double what was projected.

    Like the CPI, back-to-back lower energy can easily be seen, -4.6 in May and -2.6 in June. See the monthly and 12-month percent change chart.

    The last 3 months for total final demand have been 3.2, 3.3, and 3.1. This follows 9 consecutive months fluctuating in the 2.5 to 2.9 range.
     
  6. Gatorrick22

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  7. WarDamnGator

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  8. mdgator05

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    Yes, the economy is doomed because the initial reading of PPI came in at 0.2% instead of the expected 0.1%. Such a disaster. Markets must be tanking on this news, right?
     
  9. AzCatFan

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    CPI is generally the standard the FED uses to determine rate cuts or increases. PPI is an important metric, but not as important as consumer prices. PPI coming in .1% higher than expected, with CPI coming in .1% lower doesn't really change anything. Still unlikely to see any rate changes when the FED meets later this month. But if all the numbers continue on a similar path through the summer, we may see a small drop in Sept.
     
  10. Gatorrick22

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    Tip of the iceberg... and you know the rest of it.

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. mdgator05

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    Hmmm, so you know much better than the markets about what is coming then?
     
  12. BigCypressGator1981

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    It’s the dreaded recession you’ve been predicting for 3.5 years isn’t it? It’s finally here!
     
  13. AzCatFan

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    From CNN Business, experts from Lazard and BNP Paribas both think rate cuts are off the table in July. But recent reports suggest cuts as high as half a point are possible in September. But what do experts with advanced degrees and years working in an industry know? o_O
     
  14. ThePlayer

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    Just as long as you give it all to the grandkids hiding in your basement with their dogs not having sex because of climate change.
    They're gonna need a lot of therapy after immigrants break into your house, claims it as theirs, steal their/your money and dog.
     
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  15. mdgator05

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    Your fantasies are pretty odd, it must be said. But to each their own.
     
  16. ETGator1

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    LOL! These same experts also predicted 7 rate cuts in 2024.

    So, what do these experts with advanced degrees and years of working in an industry know?

    Rates aren't going down in July or September. I've been right every time so far this year, batting average 1.000, while you and your experts have been wrong every time, batting average .000.

    It'll be a good thing when CNN converts to being an entertainment network as they are planning to do instead of the joke network they are today. There is a song with title and lyrics including send in the clowns:

    Judy Collins - Send In The Clowns (youtube.com)

    CNN is like you and your experts in 2024, always wrong.
     
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  17. Gatorrick22

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  18. mdgator05

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    Hmm, could that be because the number of jobs fell during Trump?
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    Hmm, could that be because so many people lost their jobs at the lower end of the spectrum, causing a huge spike in median earnings?