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Scenario: Trump Wins The Election. Democracy Hangs By A Thread. What Should We Do?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Contra, Jul 11, 2024.

Trump Wins The Election. Democracy Hangs In The Balance. What is the best response?

  1. People who care about their country should form an armed resistance to save democracy.

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    4.4%
  2. Democratic states should secede from the union to preserve democracy in blue states.

    2 vote(s)
    4.4%
  3. Biden or whoever it is that runs the country should declare martial law to save democracy.

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  4. Challenge the election results to save democracy.

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  5. Accept the election results, and wait until the 2028 elections to save democracy.

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    28.9%
  6. Accept the election results because there is no threat to democracy.

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    62.2%
  1. Contra

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    Well, there is one vote for violent resistance now. If the 3% number held over the whole US voter base of 255 million voters, then you are talking 7.65 million people who would be for armed resistance. If the proportions scaled that would be a lot of people willing to put up an armed resistance. Hypothetically, if even 1% of that group acted on the belief in armed resistance that is close to the number of people who showed up to the capital on 1/6.
     
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  2. Contra

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    There was 1 vote for violent resistance. One person apparently takes the Trump is an existential threat narrative very seriously.
     
  3. Gatorrick22

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    That is the action (MO) of all those types of regimes that you mentioned... It's works best since you Liberals are into trying to defend the semantics of lawlessness in seemingly different types of governance.
     
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    You cannot explain FACTS to those people on the Left suffering from TDS and selective amnesia.
     
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  5. GatorRade

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    exiled explained very well the issue above, but I’ll do my part with an analogy: You own a china shop and are worried about a bull coming in to ruin your fragile stock. In the event that the bull enters the shop, which option is best to protect the fine china?
    1. Throw a grenade into the china shop to blow up the bull
    2. Take all the china and toss it into the street so the bull can’t break it
    3. Have the entire shop ripped out of the ground by a crane and dropped into a canyon where the bull can’t get to it
    4. Lure a second bull into the shop to hopefully gore the first bull
    5. Wait for the bull to leave the shop and call the insurance company
    6. Nothing, because bulls are actually no threat to fine china
     
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  6. Orange_and_Bluke

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    You’re overly fixated on the bull and lost sight of your own China.
     
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    I get that. The question, though, assumed the threat. That’s why I had problems answering the poll. But then again, I’m a lawyer, so the problem is likely mine, not yours.
     
  8. GatorRade

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    You know, it is funny that each side even has its own separate country that it’s fixated on.
     
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    You missed one.
    7. Put up a sign outside the door that says "No Bulls Allowed".
     
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  10. BLING

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    I don’t think that’s exactly the dynamic we have.

    The overwhelming majority on both sides see China as a geopolitical threat. But China has remained mostly strategic, whereas Russia has acted with direct belligerence - invading their neighbor (nevermind its history of supporting cybercrime, assassinating dissenters, sabotage, etc). China of course goes after dissenters overseas as well, certainly supports cybercrime that goes beyond state vs state spying. Perhaps they’ve been less “sloppy” with it spilling over their borders but you don’t hear as much about Chinese being poisoned abroad or falling off balconies.

    Seems the side of the isle wanting to turn the other cheek toward Russia and focus ONLY on China, are either not recognizing their unique belligerence and the criminal nature of their regime, or that China and Russia are mostly allied against us anyway.
     
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    New York and California should be designated sanctuary states, for disconsolate Democrats, and then secede from the Union. Cuba and Alberta should become US states so we don’t have to change the flag.
     
  12. GatorRade

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    Oh I agree with this. The claim is that Biden and the left are ignoring China, but I’m not really sure what we’re supposed to be doing to them. Tariffs? Not sure how that makes China less of threat.
     
  13. Contra

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    “Vulcans never bluff.”
     
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  14. BigCypressGator1981

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    I think that was probably someone taking your troll poll very seriously.

    what does the Bible say about lying? You’re clearly trolling.
     
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    welllllll there are also a lot of people that believe 3 hours of dudes in Viking costumes stealing laptops and breaking down doors and windows aren’t worse than 3 months of billions of dollars burned down from the GF/BLM riots. And to be intellectually honest I have called for anyone who damaged anything at the capitol be prosecuted to fullest extent
     
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  16. Contra

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    A bull is very unlikely to enter into a China shop, which is why we never have that discussion. Trump winning the POTUS is very much a possibility, which is why we are having this conversation. None of the options in the poll are unrealistic to human behavior given what we know about history. There are some people out there who would view them as rational decisions. The physical force option in the bull in a China shop scenario would be get your shot gun and take it down. That seems realistic. The wait and call the insurance company seems realistic as well. The others not so much.
     
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  17. Contra

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    Not trolling. Having a valid discussion about a realistic event. Not going to lie. I am a little tickled by how triggered some of y'all got over my thread. It is hilarious, but this is a real discussion.

    Macron was talking about civil war over the results of France's elections. So, these options are realistic options given what we know about human nature and human history.
     
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  18. Contra

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    Democrats also have a long history of denying election results. So, that is not out of the possibility.

     
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  19. VAg8r1

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    The "dudes in Viking costumes" were trying to attempt the certification of the results of a free and fair election because they didn't like the results and were convinced by a gifted demagogue who couldn't accept that he lost the election to prevent the Constitutional process of a peaceful transition, a process that had occurred with every change of Administration for 224 years. And let's not forget that those dudes attacked police officers and threatened to hang the sitting vice president because he refused to go along with their plot. Maybe it's just me but I don't see any relationship between the acts of vandalism stemming from the George Floyd protests and the (fortunately failed) attempt to prevent a core constitutional process.
     
  20. GatorRade

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    My analogy wasn’t meant to be taken literally. What I was trying to convey was the several of the options actually have the result of destroying the very valuables we were trying to protect. You can’t protect democracies or republics with military coups, as the very act of the coup itself does the destroying. If we need to fix something, we must follow the roadmap of the constitution. If it is insufficient, we can change it, but again only by following the roadmap of revision in the constitution.

    Do I worry that Trump does not adequately respect the laws of our nation? Yes, and I think any thinking person should. I didn’t answer your poll, because you didn’t have the one answer I was looking for: trusting our public institutions to uphold our constitutional restraints on the president. Though neither party has made them a focus of their platform, these restraints are more important than their views on any particular political issue. As Ben Franklin said while fashioning these restraints:

    The first man put at the helm would be a good one. Nobody knows what sort may come afterwards. The executive will always be increasing here, as elsewhere, until it ends in a monarchy.”
     
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