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Scenario: Trump Wins The Election. Democracy Hangs By A Thread. What Should We Do?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Contra, Jul 11, 2024.

Trump Wins The Election. Democracy Hangs In The Balance. What is the best response?

  1. People who care about their country should form an armed resistance to save democracy.

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  2. Democratic states should secede from the union to preserve democracy in blue states.

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  3. Biden or whoever it is that runs the country should declare martial law to save democracy.

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  4. Challenge the election results to save democracy.

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  5. Accept the election results, and wait until the 2028 elections to save democracy.

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  6. Accept the election results because there is no threat to democracy.

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  1. GatorJMDZ

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    Would you consider including an alternative for rational, educated people to select? I see what you did there and it was your version of trying to be clever, but you wrote selections to advance your agenda and your agenda is a FAIL.
     
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  2. exiledgator

    exiledgator Gruntled

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    If it's so easy to comprehend - why did you create poll where 4 of the 6 options are violent or oppositional to the continuation of our Democracy? Guess what happened - everyone picked the two Democratic options.

    It is indeed hard for you to comprehend - or this is a troll / bait poll. (This sentence pretty much covers 99% of maga posts on this board)
     
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  3. exiledgator

    exiledgator Gruntled

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    Just like contraplank - this post of your shows your ignorance or inability to understand that people can hold two distinctly different ideas in their heads at once.
     
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  4. gatordavisl

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    But then you would have less to complain about and don't try pretending that it would be a welcome thing.
     
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  5. Contra

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    As I said earlier, this is a free and open discussion. You can state what you believe is an alternative option if it was not included in the OP.
     
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    I won't pretend, it would be a most welcome thing. Actually, I think such individuals would feel right at home in Venezuela or if they can afford it, France would be a great option.
     
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  7. Contra

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    When people say a political candidate is an existential threat and the equivalent to the rise of Hitler...like a real life game of Secret Hitler...then desperation could lead to desperate actions. That is why I put it all out there for a vote.
     
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  8. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

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    Ok, I vote for "wait until Donald Trump shoots himself in his bunker as communists advance on the capital" if he's the next Hitler
     
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  9. exiledgator

    exiledgator Gruntled

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    So can we all assume that you have come to understand the errors in your thinking and going forward you will understand that non-Maga America wants to keep our long-standing system of governance including basic tenents like: The peaceful transition of power and the freedom to speak out against the government without fear of reprisal?
     
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  10. BigCypressGator1981

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    Hey plank - what does the Bible say about internet trolls?
     
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  11. swampbabe

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    Cuba has always been under tyrannical rule. Just depends on what side of the divide you occupy, right?
     
  12. wgbgator

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    That cant be, they were a "presidential Republic" just like us until 1959 :)
     
  13. WC53

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    What would Spock say
     
  14. Contra

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    There were no errors in my thinking I am aware of. Mankind is an emotional being that doesn't always act rationally. We really have no idea what will happen until it plays out. I still think there is an inherent danger to the "Trump is an existential threat" narrative and the "Trump is Hitler" narrative. The question is how sincerely held are those beliefs? Are they just talking points? Or would people act on those beliefs with the vigor that demonstrates authentic belief? You beat that drum enough, and you repeat it enough times...you have no idea how some people will react post-election. People who authentically believed Hitler was an existential threat plotted to assassinate Hitler. They turned to violent resistance against Hitler, and rightfully so.

    So, I suspect a vast majority of liberals would not do anything, but I would not be surprised if there was some post-election violence.
     
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  15. exiledgator

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    I wasn't aware that your poll was being boradcasted out to the world.

    If I'm mistaken, and you were only polling the members of TH, can you point out which non-Maga posters have been calling for violence, secession, seeking to block a peaceful transition of power?

    Of course the answer is: none. Which takes me back to my original and and exceptionally salient point: this is a cheap bait poll.
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    I think that your imagination about resistance is limited to violence/martial law/electoral shenanigans says more about you than anything. Most people are going to exhaust legal means of opposition and organization until they no longer exist, and even then there are other considerations, like children, jobs, personal risk, etc. I don't think any sane person is going to form a guerilla cadre the day after the election or demand Biden declare martial law. Do people think that because everyday life in Iran, Hungary or Turkey is relatively peaceful that people living there are in support of tyranny in those countries? If you arent trying to assassinate Erdogan, you basically arent true to your principles?
     
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  17. cocodrilo

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    I'm not plank, but "By their fruits ye shall know them."
     
  18. AzCatFan

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    Trump is a threat to democracy, but I believe things like Project 2025 and most of Trump's policies would be such a disaster, it would be enough to wake up a lot of the country by 2026. And either there's a blue wave in the mid-terms that render Trump a mostly impotent POTUS, or Trump exposes himself as a threat to democracy, which too would be a massive wake-up call.

    Good things come to those who wait, and if Trump wins again, it's better to work first within the system to oppose him. Violence should always be the last resort. The question is, what will Trumpers do if he loses again? Because they already turned to violence and a scheme to overturn a free and fair election that was litigated by over 60 court cases in 2020.
     
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  19. exiledgator

    exiledgator Gruntled

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    Exactly right.

    Should Trump lose and violence erupt - the MAGA crowd will just point to stuff like this in an attempt to say, "you would be violent too, if Biden lost!" It's been their playbook for a long time.
     
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  20. Contra

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    The question was legit. The thought about how "Trump is an existential threat" rhetoric could lead to a variety of extreme political reactions to a Trump victory had been in my head this week. So, I decided to start a thread about it gauging people's opinions. The thread was just an observational study. I thought it might lead to an interesting discussion.