Chinese electric cars

Step 1: Sell them cars, capture the market
Step 2: Make them stop working
Step 3: Profit from the monopoly
Step 4: Invade the country with all the guns
Step 5: Control the world

 

Yeah, you've convinced me. We should just let China take care of our energy needs. What could go wrong?

 

Repeat it with me: cars consume energy we can produce for ourselves domestically, they dont make energy from China that can be cut off

 

How do we produce the energy? What products and resources are required?

 

I'm certain you understand how electricity is made, is this a real question?

 

Yeah, it's a real question. Explain it to me like I'm a child. How does the energy get from the sun (or the wind) to the battery of an EV? Go through it step by step for me.

You must really hate that green energy bill that Biden signed a couple of years ago. What a huge waste of tax payer money.

 

Lets see, my electric company is American, and they generate electricity from gas, oil, coal and nuclear energy sources, none of which are in China or purchased from China. So if I charge my hypothetical Chinese EV at home, I'm not dependant on China, I'm dependant on generating economic activity to pay my electrical bill, which I do by working for a non-Chinese business. At which step here does China have me by the balls?

 

At the step where we are talking about the future, green energy, and not the past, fossil fuels.

 

PUEBLO, Colorado — Construction is underway for an expansion to the world's largest manufacturing plant for wind turbine towers, a project designed to double production and lead to the hiring of at least 850 new employees. CS Wind executives welcomed Gov. Jared Polis for a groundbreaking Tuesday at the plant, where dozens of project partners, local leaders and plant employees gathered to celebrate the incoming 900,000-square-foot expansion that will boost the plant's overall production to approximately 10,000 wind turbine tower sections per year.

CS Wind Breaks Ground on Expansion at World’s Largest Wind Turbine Tower Manufacturing Plant, Plans to Create 850 New Jobs in Pueblo, Colorado

Vestas plant right up the road from me in Windsor, CO. I've sat watching entire trains of these blades go by.

 

I think there could be merit to your criticisms of US government data collection. I just don't see the two issues as connected. They are independent discussions IMO. What is fair game domestically for a government within its own sovereign borders vs. fair game for a foreign adversary within the borders of another sovereign nation are two different discussions IMO.

 

Nice. That's our tax dollars at work, helping to secure our energy future.

Additional investment in the facility was made possible by the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 (IRA), which includes tax incentives for clean energy projects. The expansion addresses two goals outlined in the legislation: build to both build American clean energy supply chains, and to create clean energy jobs. CS Wind's growth plans call for 850 new jobs in Colorado by 2026, following up on the 250 additional employees already hired so far this year.

 

Just about all the cars they sell in Europe have a 5-star Euro NCAP rating. Chinese brands currently occupy 3 of the top 4 rated cars on the 2024 safety rankings, and 5 of the top 7 on the 2023 list according to the Euro NCAP. Other than minor differences (e.g. we don't allow cars to have only digital side view mirrors) they use the same safety standards as us, so they'd only need minor modifications to meet our safety requirements.

Latest Safety Ratings | Euro NCAP

The truly insane thing is that this is considered insanity these days. Not remarking on you in particular, but we live in such a polarized world that it's normal for people to be in such diametrically opposite camps that sharing any view on any topic in common seems insane.

Right, that's a very big difference. If you build a energy/transport infrastructure based on oil and you get cut off from oil, then everything you've built is just scrap metal in a few months. If you get cut off from more energy/transport infrastructure, you should still be able to operate a large majority of them in a few years. Iran is still operating the F-14s we left there in the 70's, for example.

Then we should work to make that part safe, and we should do it anyway with all cars as even ones designed here or in allied countries are not safe from cyber attacks. We can even require their cars sold here to use Qualcomm or Nvidia chips, for example. In fact, many Chinese manufacturers already use them anyway. That's a part of our competitive advantage, we should consider using it positively instead of punitively.

 

Not to mention it would crush our auto industry. All those auto workers would be out of jobs. Most industrialized countries can’t compete with China’s near slave labor and the CCP pushing the price down. That’s their end game short term pain and long term gain.
Plus crap quality see chinese drywall over again.

 

America’s 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs: bad policy, worse leadership

Although it is unfashionable to say so these days, one of the great accomplishments of the past half-century was the remarkable decrease in global tariffs. This reduction, from average levies on imports of more than 10% in the 1970s to 3% today, helped fuel a boom in international commerce and a near-tripling in global gdp per person. The more that countries opened up, the more they flourished. So it is deeply regrettable that President Joe Biden has decided to impose tariffs of 100% on electric vehicles (evs) made in China.

Because trade benefits consumers broadly, but harms specific workers and companies that are able to organise resistance, it has always carried political costs. Today those costs loom large in politicians’ minds. The consensus required to underpin an open trading system is disintegrating, a process accelerated by the fact that China is not playing fair, as well as the rise of Donald Trump’s America-first vision.

No longer. The latest tariffs reject such mechanisms. The administration could have set out how Chinese evs had gained from huge subsidies and then hit them with calibrated countervailing duties. It could have documented the security threat it claims they pose, rather than offering scary conjectures. Instead, it covered its protectionist aims with a fig-leaf: the new tariffs were put on top of Mr Trump’s, which were themselves originally justified by China’s theft of American technology. How farcical. The real fear about Chinese evs today is not that they are stealing from America, but that they have left American cars in the dust.

America’s blatant disdain for the need to make a rigorous case has dangerous consequences. At home it invites more firms to seek protection. Republicans and Democrats are already vying to offer the steepest barriers: Mr Trump has warned that he will put tariffs of 200% on cars made by Chinese-owned plants in Mexico. Abroad, protectionists will follow suit as China exports its surplus around the world, dealing another blow to the trading system that America once championed. Brazil is increasing tariffs on evs and the European Union may soon do so, too. America is still leading global trade policy—but in the wrong direction.

 

Didn’t Crichton write the book rising Sun in the 80s? I remember a movie starring Sean Connery.

 

No we should get our energy from the Middle East. What could go wrong?

 

The fear of man lays a snare, but whoever trusts in the LORD is safe. -Proverbs 29:25

 

to get the US tax credit of $7500 on an EV, the car must have a final assembly pt. in N. America. But, but China's subsidizes.

 

My understanding is it needs over 50 percent us parts.

 

good lord!