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George Stephanopolous interview of Biden 8pm 7/5/24

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Jul 5, 2024.

  1. rivergator

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  2. thegatorvault

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    Makes some sense I guess so could be. Lord knows the polling ‘profession’ has taken a hit the last few election cycles.
     
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  3. PITBOSS

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    insightful post. Especially the point whoever that mgr talked to last carried more influence.
    We’re so focused on the current for Biden, but what about 3 YEARS from now (also Dear Leader). Reports are mentioning Biden slipped faster over the last year.
     
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  4. PITBOSS

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    Btw, Dem Party deserves some blame here. This is why we needed one or two debates within the party before the general. Maybe they were in denial or thought they could keep Biden in bubble-wrap thru the election.
     
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  5. vaxcardinal

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  6. slayerxing

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    A lot more power lol. It's a laughable comparison really - but I think there is enough similarity to be incredibly concerned.
    Worst of all, is that from what my friends told me that old guy I mentioned towards the very end of his tenure, he would be unable to make decisions at all. He'd be getting so much poison whispered into his ear, forgetting some points, misremembering others, that he would sit on decisions for weeks. And then once he made a decision, even if it was obviously a mistake, he was unable to admit mistakes and change direction. I remember I was invited to be part of a meeting over there once and it was a total waste of time, because he was waxing nostalgic for most of it, monologued about the future of higher education (talking about stuff that is literally already happening like it's 10 years away), and then adjourned the meeting with zero action items. Later on, he reached out to us on an email asking about the task force he had created, and we were all like... what task force? You'll love this - at one point he hired a 22 year old to be his executive assistant, and she once joked to one of my friends that she basically ran the entire office because she curated everything that came across his desk, and even drafted his email correspondence.

    So imagine a president, unable to make important decisions in a timely manner, incapable of changing direction, creating an environment of distrust and infighting amongst his staff who ultimately control his agenda, and then is unable to get things accomplished. I don't think Biden has fully become that yet, but I do think it's rapidly approaching or has now arrived.

    Unfortunately, I think Trump has some similar challenges, although maybe not so much because of his age as much as his personality (although I think the age thing is being a bit downplayed right now). The American public IMO has such a terrible choice to make as things currently stand it really makes me think we should just put benzo's in the drinking water. But ultimately, as bad as either candidate is, I guess at this point it just comes down to judges - you really have no choice but to elect the guy that's going to put your kind of judges on the bench.
     
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  7. thegatorvault

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    I’ve never heard of an incumbent having a primary debate but maybe it’s happened. Certainly would guess it isn’t the norm.

    I don’t know that enough people in the Dem party knew of the reality of Biden’s decline. Not sure I would blame them because I could see Biden’s inner circle keeping him insulated.

    All of this certainly explains the Hur report and why the DOJ did not want the audio released.

    Again, I just don’t understand why they would have Biden do that debate, or any debate for that matter, in this condition. I could see a scenario where they avoided debating Trump all together and kept Biden in the basement with a very sustainable and positive lead up to the election. Just seems like something is amiss with all of this. Things don’t really add up to me.
     
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  8. WarDamnGator

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    Could be supporters of Convict Trump trolling and saying they will vote for Biden so he's more likely to stay in the race.
     
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  9. gatordavisl

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    JG?
     
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    Many times folks on here say "we deserve what we get," but I don't believe that's true for the reason you state. It ain't the American public's fault that Biden is stubborn or that Kamala is option 2. Sure, pockets of people were influential but I don't think joe democrat deserves a shit sandwich that was served up by the existing system (starting w campaign financing).
     
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  11. gator34654

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    I think the surprise is for those who turn in to CNN, MSN or other news sources not named FOX. It's been evident for a long time but as we now know it's possible to keep certain things hidden from the public. However the debate was an eye opener, no gas lighting that.
     
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  12. okeechobee

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    It was easier to use Covid as an excuse to hide him in 2020. I don't think his issues were as bad, but recall he was mocking Trump and other skeptics who insinuated he was taking performance enhancers before the debates in 2020. I think it is pretty likely he was taking performance enhancers. He would not be the first POTUS who has done that. There was something I read about FDR snorting coke before a speech. Those are things that happen on both sides of the aisle to prop up ailing or elderly politicians.

    There comes a certain point though where even performance enhancers won't do the trick.
     
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    I'm not a Nikki Haley fan, but I would be on board with a standardized, unbiased cognitive test for candidates 75 and older. The requirement should include senatorial and congressional candidates as well, but we can at least start with the most important job in government and go from there. I do think Trump would pass that test today, but 4 years from now may be a different story. Trump had his talking points ready to go and didn't skip a beat. Had the presence of mind to let Biden bury himself and not turn the debate into a circus. Biden came off as more unhinged than Trump. Trump still does most of his campaign appearances without a teleprompter. I wouldn't mind if candidates were required to conspicuously disclose any time they use a teleprompter. I think it would be quite revealing (on both sides of the aisle).
     
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    Whose advisors do you trust more is a legitimate question. Don’t let Trump run away from Project 2025.
     
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    What do you think the Trump camp would have done with audio? They’re already dishonest with video.
     
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    Shocking! I guess CNN really wants Biden gone. No question they do whatever it takes to get the person they want elected. It is really a shame what all our media sources have come to and that people still follow or believe any of them.
     
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    Watch the live interview.

    10:10 mark..
    “I’m the guy they put Nato together”.

    Tried to upload a screenshot of the CC also but file is too long.

    It’s also in the transcript if you read far enough.
    Now he may have meant he put a coalition of NATO members together to assist Ukraine but that’s not near what he actually said.

    Curious how he stopped Putin also, did Putin not invade? Has Putin withdrawn?
     
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  19. okeechobee

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    The problem is, if it wasn't campaign financing, it would be something else. The truth is there doesn't seem to be a failsafe from corruption that exists. You could take all the money out of politics officially and people would simply find ways to do it under the table. We're stuck with the best broken system we can think of.
     
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    There is a lot to criticize Biden on right now but made up stuff isnt one of them. Every comment he made on NATO and none of them are that he put NATO together like you are trying to insinuate. This is why I can’t trust criticism of Biden from the right. They go bonkers on non-issues.

    “I was also the guy that expanded NATO. I was also the guy that grew the economy.”

    “Oh, sure, I had months, but I was also doin' a hell of a lot of other things, like wars around the world, like keeping NATO together, like working-- anyway. But look.”

    “I'm workin' on what we were doin' with regard to-- in Europe with regard to expansion of NATO and whether it's gonna stick.”

    “George. I'm the guy that put NATO together, the future. No one thought I could expand it.”

    “And who's gonna be able to hold NATO together like me?”