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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by LimeyGator, Jun 18, 2024.

  1. FutureGatorMom

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    My daughter lives in Southampton. I knew almost nothing about UK politics before she moved there and know very little more now. As an aside I believe she and all her friends would be Bernie supporters if they lived here.
    I have read that the two issues that people are concerned with the most are immigration and inflation. What have the Tories attempted to do and what does Labour propose to do?
    I don't talk politics to her or her husband because it's none of my business and we would disagree.
    Unfortunately, my SIL could be on the big bang theory. He has no interest in football in my country or his. I tried to talk to them about the Saints promotion but got no where. Don't your friends care? Won't it be good for the economy? Nothing. We talk about weather, science or nothing. Definitely not politics.
     
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    We have the freedom of religion, what's the problem there?
     
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    This is a prime example of why I don't not blindly support all Pubs in elections.
     
  8. LimeyGator

    LimeyGator Official Brexit Reporter!

    I think it was somewhat inevitable. Freedom of Movement in the EU benefitted many, but nationalist sentiment will never go away. There will always be those who believe the EU project doesn't benefit them and I can't blame them. Personally, I'm a fan of devolved power - what the EU does is the opposite. With Britain leaving, lots of other individuals across Europe now see the opportunity to do the same and again, who can blame them? I believe in the spirit of cooperation but there's certainly a case the EU's integration went too deep and too far. Britain's entire Brexit departure was based on sovereignty and while I'll shout until I'm blue in the face that we never really lost that by being in the EU, it's a very easy perception to sell. And heck, it worked.

    Bernie. Gotcha. I suspect they probably liked Jeremy Corbyn then. He was 'too left' for the mainstream UK electorate but in many respects probably helped lay the foundation for Kier Starmer now, sitting more centrally.

    I agree, immigration is high on the list here- all parties aiming to address the traffiking of people across the channel. It's not a good place across Europe, either
    And not so much just inflation but more generally the cost of living. It has spiralled here and so many people are struggling more than ever before. I believe I read our tax burden is the highest it has been post-War.
    Other key issues at the forefront of UK politics right now:
    * NHS waiting lists (7.5m people on a waiting list of some sort for procedures etc. I am on 3 :) Maintaining the NHS is sacrosanct in the UK)
    * Public services in general, have been terribly underfunded, including policing and education in particular.
    * Our Railways are the worst in the modern world and transport infrastructure is expensive/worn. The Beatles weren't wrong about the potholes...
    * Energy prices have gone through the roof in the past 12-18 months - the question of energy independence is high.

    The Torys have attempted to sell themselves as the most safe and secure with managing the economy. That's been a hard sell given Liz Truss torched it single handedly in 50 odd days as PM and while they have overseen some resettling, you can't claim much credit for putting out a fire you started yourself. Labour has 6 key manifesto pledges, mostly relating to the above issues. The proof will be in the pudding but above all else, they're trying to push a return to service in politics. The Torys have had so much corruption sat around them for a number of years, it's a compelling sell.

    I'd watch this for reference - it's a party political broadcast.



    True, although faith is still high on the agenda for many. Just not in politics. Freedom of relgious choice is central to British values.
     
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  9. FutureGatorMom

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    Then you should be equally concerned. I haven't looked this morning, but Louisiana just became the first state to make it mandatory to post the ten commandments in all public schools. Keep your head in the sand Rick.
     
  10. FutureGatorMom

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    The freedom of religion is to practice YOUR religion, not to force it on others. Not everyone practices the same religion. You know this.
     
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  11. LimeyGator

    LimeyGator Official Brexit Reporter!

    For anyone interested, the exit polls now stations have closed are predicting a Labour Government with potentially the biggest ever party majority outside of national government in 1931.

    Landslide of +400 seats and +170 ish overall majority. Quite extraordinary.
     
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    Lol. Sure thing Rick.
     
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    Nigel, for one.
     
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    Hmmm, the double negative. Nice Freudian slip.
     
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    Worse than that, they believe in germs.
     
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    My wife does it all the time…
     
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  18. dave_the_thinker

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    Tories are not really the same as the US right.

    They are economically "conservative" but on social issues they swing more to the left.

    Labor seems to be more hawkish, if Tony Blair is a representative sample. Next to a US liberal, he is John McCain with hair and an accent.
     
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  19. gator_lawyer

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    Congrats to y'all. You deserve change after the idiocy of the past 10 years. Unfortunately for us, our people don't seem to learn from their idiocy.
     
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  20. LimeyGator

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    That's a good take which I agree with.

    The Tories claim to be centre right, small Government, lower taxes. It's definitely to the left of your Republican party but then the centre line in Britain further left (compared to the US) as well. However they went away from these messages to die on the hill of immigration. They also began pushing to the right of its base on some of the social issues you mentioned. It backfired as that vote split between them and Reform.

    Labour just kept its mouth shut during this election - it was the smart play... the Ming Vase idea - don't drop it! It worked - the result is overwhelmingly anti-Tory.

    British Politics is about to enter a period of multi-party voice. The Lib Dems did pretty well, Reform (once the Brexit Party) didn't get a huge number of seats but it had strong polling numbers nationwide. Labour just stayed in the middle with sensible messaging and a big focus on restoring trust. 3 seatw went Independent based solely on a protest vote over Gaza which is going to get the frothies whipped up further.

    Funny aside - Liz Truss, the economic depth charge of a ~50 day Premiership - lost her seat. She's gone. So did many other high profile Tories.

    Interesting evening.
     
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