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Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ThePlayer, May 30, 2024.

  1. gatorjo

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    Ya think? He enacted a criminal conspiracy to steal and KEEP government secrets and he has a judge and an entire political party criminal organization running interference for him.

    And you will vote for that. Because.....Jesus?
     
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  2. gatorjo

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    Also :

    Now that I finally read a damn thing about it, I'm coming to realize that Trump is a criminal.
     
  3. mikemcd810

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    Hillary had already been investigated, twice actually if your remember Comey re-opening the investigation shortly before the election thanks to Anthony Weiner's laptop, and the FBI declined to bring charges.

    Asking the AG to prosecute her after she was already investigated by the FBI is the definition of a politically motivated prosecution.

    It's clear that your definition of politically motivated is dependent on whether you like it or not.
     
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  4. AzCatFan

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    The Mueller Report got convictions/guilty pleas on 34 separate people. About 749 people (and counting) have been convicted for their participation in Jan 6. Maybe these aren't hoaxes but actual crimes committed by people who got caught, charged, and convicted?

    Just like Trump's inner circle from both his business and his public life are full of convicts. Either the entire justice system is rigged completely...Or Trump and his cronies are convicted felons for a reason! Because they committed crimes, got caught, indicted, and the evidence produced either a guilty plea or a guilty verdict.
     
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  5. mikemcd810

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    Dershowitz's opinion on this is a clear outlier compared to other legal analysts so what does that say about the fundalist mindset of someone who seeks out a minority opinion as opposed to the consensus?
     
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  6. coleg

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    Seems poster doth protest too much.
    "Myth: It was improper for a state prosecutor to charge a federal offense.

    Response: The parties litigated this issue months before the trial and the court found that statutes outside of the laws of New York were proper bases to be considered “other crimes.” For example, case law has held that an offense under the New York statute prohibiting possession of a concealed weapon by a person who has been “previously convicted of any crime” may be proved by showing that the person was convicted of a crime in another state.

    New York courts have also upheld the use of federal offenses as the predicate crimes in other cases involving the falsification of business records in the first degree, the very crime charged in Trump’s case."
    Debunking 12 Myths About Trump's Conviction
     
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  7. Contra

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    It appears shoplifting has become a serious serious problem in NYC.

    “The old Love drugstores and Price Wise were 2,500-square-foot stores that seemed to succeed years ago,” said Big Apple retail broker Robin Abrams. “Then they mostly closed as they could not compete with the 10,000- to 20,000-square-foot Duane Reade, Walgreens, CVS and Rite Aid stores. Now we are ‘over- drugstored’ and . . . and these chains will operate less stores in smaller spaces.”

    Joseph Giacalone, a retired NYPD sergeant and an adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said part of the problem was that politicians shrugged off retail theft instead of targeting it.

    “Our politicians have told us, ‘Shoplifting is not a problem,'” Giacalone said. “And then all of a sudden, we start seeing all these issues that are happening because many of these crimes have been downgraded by the politicians themselves . . . Eventually you gotta pay the piper.”

    Retail theft, which the NYPD only recently added to its crime-tracking CompStat reports, has nearly doubled in the city in the last six years. The number of incidents in Gotham steadily climbed from 32,254 complaints in 2017 to 37,922 incidents in 2019, before falling during the height of COVID-19 in 2020. From 2021 to 2023 citywide complaints increased again from 43,892 to 59,137, the data indicate.

    Theft plagues NYC retailers, drugstores closing
     
  8. gatorjo

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    ^ Supports a guy who enacted a criminal conspiracy to overturn an election.

    Complains about shoplifting.
     
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  9. GatorJMDZ

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    Supports a guy who has shattered at least eight of the Ten Commandments Suggested Guidelines.
     
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  10. philnotfil

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    Missouri attorney general to sue New York over Trump prosecutions

    The Missouri attorney general, Andrew Bailey, has confirmed that he is suing the state of New York for election interference and wrongful prosecution for bringing the Stormy Daniels hush-money case to a trial that saw Donald Trump convicted of 34 felonies.

    Bailey, a Republican politician appointed by Missouri’s governor, Mike Parson, last year, said in a post on X (formerly Twitter) that he would be filing a lawsuit “against the State of New York for their direct attack on our democratic process through unconstitutional lawfare against President Trump”.

    “We have to fight back against a rogue prosecutor who is trying to take a presidential candidate off the campaign trail. It sabotages Missourians’ right to a free and fair election,” he added in a subsequent message.

    The lawsuit is anticipated to be a series of similar actions against the New York attorney general, Letitia James, and the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, over a pair of lawsuits brought against Trump or the Trump Organization and its officers. Both resulted in findings against the defendants. Trump is appealing both cases.
     
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  11. sierragator

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    Clawing and scratching to be first in line to kiss the ass of their orange god. Checking any remnants of their dignity at the door
     
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    You have to appreciate the perseverance of the MAGA idiots, they love losing and don't mind looking stupid doing it.
     
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  13. philnotfil

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    https://thehill.com/homenews/4751050-donald-trump-hush-money-verdict-immunity-ruling/

    Former President Trump on Monday asked his hush money judge to set aside the recent guilty verdict after the Supreme Court’s immunity ruling, according to a person familiar with the matter.

    The Supreme Court provided former presidents with a broad shield against criminal prosecution, ruling 6-3 along ideological lines that they enjoy absolute criminal immunity for core constitutional powers and a presumption of immunity for all other official acts.

    Following the ruling, Trump’s lawyers on Monday filed a letter with New York Judge Juan Merchan seeking to set aside the jury’s recent guilty verdict, contending the prosecution at trial introduced evidence that is protected under the Supreme Court’s new test, the person said.

    The letter also asks to delay Trump’s July 11 sentencing, according to the person.
     
  14. Gatorrick22

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    Hoe does a state use federal election laws (has nothing to do with state purview) to make a misdemeanor a felony?
     
  15. mdgator05

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    Because they wrote a law that does that. If you want a more general answer, motive/intent involved in the commission of a state crime is a state issue and they decided that covering up a crime of any level as the intent of the state-level crime of falsifying business records elevates the crime to a felony.
     
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  16. sierragator

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    a pallet of skates on the way to mar a lago
     
  17. Gatorrick22

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    Thy have to first find him guilty of that other so called crime (in federal court) or it's just state clown lawfare BS...
     
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  18. mdgator05

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    No, they actually don't. That would be a self-defeating law. If you falsify business records to make it hard to prosecute you for a crime, it would then make it difficult to convict you of falsifying the business records as well. Essentially, it would be a law to encourage you to break the law. The law contains no requirement for a conviction of the other offense.

    In this instance, the federal courts found that the law was broken and that Donald Trump was an unindicted co-conspirator in the commission of that crime. The law does not require that he falsify the records to cover up his role, just to cover up the commission of a crime. The crime has been established by the federal courts as having been committed by his employee with Trump conspiring to do it.
     
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  19. Gatorrick22

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    The whole case will be overturned. So... you can waste your time on defending it.
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    Oh, you are an expert on New York appellate law? Interesting. Perhaps you can explain to me about the prior case law that leads you to suggest this.
     
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