War in Ukraine

so anytime some country wants to invade another country should we just put you down as a “peace” person that doesn’t give a shit and just tell everyone to immediately surrender? To protect peace should the us just give Russia Alaska? Where do you draw the line?

 

No. Shall we put YOU down for war monger every time a war breakes out in say, Africa, South America, or the middle east?

Shall we spend ourselves into ruin, in order to impose your wishes as to how the world ought to be ordered?

 

Agreed, seems like a short sighted move.

Pyongyang Says It Will Send Troops to Ukraine Within a Month

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"...Putin is a desperate joke..."

Putin would be a desperate joke if all he could do was post his barely coherent ramblings on a message board like several here. Unfortunately, he commands one of the world's largest militaries with the manufacturing capabilities, resources and economy to fund it and wage war. That takes him out of your desperate joke category and moves him squarely into the Hitleresque one.

By the way, your posting style lately with your self created abbreviations, numerous spelling and grammatical errors and abysmal sentence structure evidences the same intellectual laziness the content of your posts do. Just a friendly observation.

 

I believe that when Hitler first started violating the Versailles boundaries in the mid-1930’s, the analysis was that his military was not largely capable. But Europe was, understandably, in no mood (or militarily prepared) for War. And so they capitulated to Hitler’s usurpations.

Who knows what would have happened had they stood up to him at inception, BEFORE his military was rebuilt into the juggernaut you referenced??

But what we know with a historical certainty is that the serial appeasement fed into Hitler’s insatiable ego and belief that he was unstoppable. By the time of Poland, his military was ready, and Europe remained impotent and vulnerable.

Appeasement does not work.

 

History elucidates on how things might play out, it does not dictate.

Try this on for size: Russia keeps its meager gains and pays for Ukraine's rebuild;

Ukraine remains Ukraine, sans the halfa Florida sliver...and joins NATO.

Would that be so gawd awful?

 

So where do you draw the line?
If China invades Taiwain tomorrow, do we care?
What about Mongolia? Do we care?
What if Russia invades Moldova next. Do we care?
What if Venezuela invades Guyana for their oil. do we care?

 

Except Russia would never agree to that - they want Kharkiv and Kherson too. Not currently in their possession. Should we just encourage Ukraine to give them up?
And LOL at Russia paying for anything unless they lose.

 

Piss-ten invaded Georgia (not our Georgia)
Piss-ten invaded Ukraine 2014 (Crimea) with some B.S. excuse of a police action.
Piss-ten backed Assad in Syria for obvious nefarious reasons -
Piss-ten approved Wagner Groups illegal siezures of petroleum facilities (steal them)
Piss-ten and his Wagner group are deeply invested in destabilizing Central Africa for rare earth resourse aquisition
Piss-ten attacked Kiev in Feb 22.
Piss-ten is clearly trying to assert Ski dominance in Western Europe everywhere he can.

I 100% agree with Zelenski that ANY negotiated settlement with Russia would be quickly abrogated by Piss-ten.
"finishing the Ukraine job" as soon as the moment and military opportunity presents itself. Anyone that believes
otherwise is a MAGA Trumper traitor.

 

Stop calling it meager.

Would you just give up 20% of your territory? Should the US just give up everything West of the Rockies if China invades? Apologize and hope they're satisfied? Should France give up everything East of the Rhone and the Meuse if Germany invades? Japan give up Hokkaido? Let's just not make anyone really angry, m-kay....

And on what planet would Russia allow Ukraine to join NATO in any peace agreement.

 

You don't seem to understand that Hitler was a desperate joke when he invaded Poland. But he was a desperate joke with tanks and warplanes, which Poland couldn't handle, with their horse-riding cavalry officers. Germany was not a juggernaut at that time. The lack of opposition to the Poland invasion emboldened Hitler to become a juggernaut and invade France and Belgium, who were also not prepared for mobile conflict. Remember that Hitler could not invade Czechoslovakia in 1938 not because Chamberlain made a deal with him, but because his own advisors told him that his weak economy could not afford the fallout from war at that time. Juggernaut? Don't be absurd.

The problem with your ignorant proposal, Lil' Neville, is that giving Putin what he wants will just lead to another future invasion. He'll take time to rebuild his military, and he will insert more terrorists into Ukraine to create dissent and disrupt their daily lives (like he did in 2014), and then he will find another equally absurd excuse to invade. But he will invade again, unless he's severely punished for this invasion and driven back into Russia. Putin is a marauding barbarian. Putting lipstick on him and kissing him with a gift of a chunk of Ukraine (the Trump solution) will not make him civilized. You're out of your little mind if you believe otherwise. Your plan would give a gift of $12 trillion to Russia to help Putin rebuild his economy and his military. For someone who is scared to send $50 billion a year in weapons to defeat the barbarians, you don't seem to mind gifting Russia with $250 billion a year to build more weapons (and steel to build them with). It doesn't matter how many Ukrainian refugees you know. Putin needs to be made to understand that this war was a disastrous defeat. Then he will be cured of his marauding tendencies. He may even be cured of his desire to be the world's weapons broker, if his economy collapses (again). Then the world will be a safer place.

I'm shaking my head at a very ignorant argument of someone incapable of learning the lessons of the past . . . Read a history book, Lil' Neville.

 

chem - lets use a little historical perspective of Americans, like todays maga traitors, that think they know what they are talking about
when it comes to foreign policy:
btw being rich, famous or politically active does not insulate one from being an idiot. Examples:

#1 Henry Ford - He of "The Eternal Jew and Protocols of Zion"...fame. (Or should I say infamy).
#2 Lindburg - A proud supporter of "Der Fuhrer"
#3 Any idiot in "The American Bund" - The American based and internationally financed (by the Nazis) supporters of Hitler.
LMAO - MAGA is the reincarnation of this disgrace, they changed their leaders hair color from black to orange.

 

Thank God Trump hasn’t been POTUS the last four years. He’d have us on the doorstep of WWIII.

 

This is all Russia’s fault for putting it’s country so close to US bases.

 

By contrast, Russia talks like it’s budgeted for a years long War for the World. But the little guy in the middle is getting crushed …

 

Has that been proposed? In theory it sounds nice. I’m all for the end of the War - on terms Ukraine finds acceptable.

 

The German reoccupation of the Rhur in 36 was the golden moment for Britain and France to stomp the life out of the Nazi's ambitions.
Didn't happen.

Of course hindsight is easy. Your correct, Britain and France were still recovering from the trauma of WW1.

Sadly, when Germany invaded Poland, the French sent a significant force that invaded Western Germany.
Went all of 5 - 10 kilometers. Then they left. Historians suggest that WW2 may have been dramatically different had the
French pressed on.

That oversight ultimately caused the French to lose their country.

 

Well, we know Russia is rebuilding its cities that Ukraine formerly occupied. See: Mariopul.

 

So … the answer is “no.” Russia takes what Russia wants. That’s why there’s a war.

 

Never knew this; Learned this for the first time today. That makes today a win! Thanks!