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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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    Well dear, this is what comes of inculcated deep hatred of one’s neighbor …

     
  2. 92gator

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    Putin will pounce at the opportunity for peace. He can rationalize it however the hell he wants.
     
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  3. coleg

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    Sure, Neville. It worked so well for Czechoslovakia after all.
     
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  4. exiledgator

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    "Peace". lol
     
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  5. 92gator

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    More on that non-existent brain drain thing that ain't happening:

    Since the start of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, there has been much talk about Russian brain drain — that is, educated professionals fleeing the country. While the total number of emigrants is unknown, it may be as high as 900,000. People have fled Russia for a number of reasons: to find work, to escape political persecution and to evade the “partial mobilisation” announced last September. According to a survey of 2,000 migrants carried out in March and April, 81% had a university degree — compared to just 27% in the population at large. Russian brain drain is real.

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    Less discussed is the fact that
    Ukraine has also experienced brain drain, thanks to the ongoing refugee crisis. The UN reports that 47% of Ukraine’s eight million refugees have a university degree, compared to around 24% in the general population — which numbered some 41 million before the war.

    Where is the brain drain more acute? Based on total population, percentage of citizens with a degree, number of migrants, and percentage of migrants with a degree, we can work out the following. Since the invasion began, the share of Russians with a degree has fallen by 0.3 percentage points, or 1.2%. By contrast, the share of Ukrainians with a degree has fallen by 5.6 percentage points, or 23%.

    This means that Ukraine’s brain drain is almost 17 times worse than Russia’s. ...


    Ukraine’s brain drain is 17 times worse than Russia’s


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    some confirmation on that 6.5 million person figure:

    3.7 million
    There are nearly 3.7 million internally displaced people in Ukraine (as of February 2024).


    6.5 million
    Nearly 6.5 million refugees from Ukraine have been recorded globally (as of February 2024).


    14.6 million


    Approximately 14.6 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance in 2024.

    https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/ukraine/


    Also includes this little nugget here:

    Particularly vulnerable groups include older people and people with disabilities who may be unable to flee from high-risk areas.
    ... AND:

    Women and children, who make up approximately 90 percent of people fleeing the crisis,

    So 90% women and children (the future of the country--the thing folks fight for)--gone.

    Approx half (47%), college educated.

    The elderly--whom you claimed comprised the vast majority of those taking flight (LMAO! yet I was the one who dun got clunked on da hay'ud when I were a kid...)--too feeble to flee, (there are actually a number of factors, but TBL, no, sorry, the elderly are usually the last to go. Complacency, the difficulty and effort it takes to re locate...they usually follow their kin folk, when and if they're lucky enough for kinfolk to come back for them...)--but apparently, not too feeble to fight on the front lines.

    And holy @#$#@! Who'da thunk the most educated amongst them, would be the first and mostest to bail?

    It's like they're smart enough to figure a war torn region is probably not the bestest place to stick around in...and by goodness, they've prolly accumulated some capital to finance the journey, and some marketable skills to make the transition workable, if not straight up profitable...

    I mean...really...

    Hoo. wood. uh. thunk... :monkey:
     
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  6. 92gator

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    Sure. He'll tap out given half'a chance. Dude's desperate for a face saving out.
     
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  7. 92gator

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    2 thoughts:

    1. She seems pissed;

    2. She's pretty damn hot for a front line soldier...

    ....just say'n.... :cool:
     
  8. exiledgator

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    Sure. And you think he'll be totally satisfied with his gains and will leave Ukraine alone forever? And Ukraine will be so happy for "peace" that the 20% of their country they lost will gleefuly and peacefully live under Russian control?

    Something closer to true peace is gained by recognizing 2014 borders.
     
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  9. ajoseph

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    Putin doesn’t care about peace, or even the concept of peace. He wants power, control, and as much chaos as possible to further enrich his pockets and power. If he cared for e wouldn’t have leveled all of Syria. If he cared for peace, he wouldn’t have broken multiple treaties Russia signed with Ukraine.
     
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  10. ursidman

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    Yep. Lebensraum didn’t work out well for them and others. Yet we have posters thinking its a keen idea and a solution to war.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    Oh God, it’s another Neville trope.

    We’re all going to be speaking Russian tomorrow.
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    Doesn’t she realize Putin is genociding her country?

     
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  13. duggers_dad

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    To those of you who regard Putin as a butcher, would you prefer Kayrov ?

     
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  14. chemgator

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    Apparently, willful ignorance is a fad that comes along every 80 years or so, and inflicts people such that they favor the appeasement of marauding barbarians. The weird twist in this case is that they may support Russia as a potential counterweight to the Weimar Republic, which has not been heard from in almost a century. Next we'll be hearing that Russia is a good counterbalance for the Viking invaders and their long spears.
     
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  15. G8trGr8t

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    ICC and European Court of Human rights both charge russian defense minister and russian army general with war crimes. It seems that the bridge has finally been burnt. Will they charge Putin?


    Putin Dealt a Double Blow in Europe (msn.com)

    Two international bodies have on the same day accused Russia of carrying out war crimes and human rights violations in Ukraine.

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) pretrial Chamber said on Tuesday it had issued arrest warrants for former Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the Russian Army General Valery Gerasimov for "the war crime of directing attacks at civilian objects" in Ukraine.

    On the same day, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) Grand Chamber said Moscow had committed human rights violations in Crimea in the decade since the beginning of its illegal occupation of the peninsula in February 2014.

    Meanwhile, a lawyer for an international human rights group whose report this month outlined how Putin's forces had employed starvation tactics during the siege of the southern city of Mariupol in 2022, told Newsweek that "food and objects indispensable to survival are being weaponized across the conflict" by Russia.
     
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  16. sierragator

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    Yet some here and in the gop carry water for these bastards.
     
  17. uftaipan

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    No love for Putin or Russia, as I hope most of you know. But this seems like a dumb thing to “charge” the Russians with. That sounds like the textbook definition of a “siege.” Is a siege, one of the classic and necessary maneuvers against a fortified people going back to the cave, now “illegal?” As I recall in Fallujah 20 years ago, we were not providing AQIZ with food while trying to capture or kill them. We need to be careful what we go charging the enemy with. War crimes are a two-edged blade without a hilt, and we are going to have to conduct a siege someday again ourselves.
     
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  18. exiledgator

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    NK sending troops to help Mother Russia defeat the little Russians. Pretty good trade for a luxury car.

    This is both hilarious and concerning at the same time.
     
  19. uftaipan

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    No problem. If Russia has now established the precedent of bringing in third-party belligerents, then I don’t see how we can continue to object to Poland et al sending in troops to assist.

    Do you have a link for the DPRK troops going in?
     
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  20. 92gator

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    /s/ Keyboard Rambo

    Btw chemy...do you actually know any of those Ukranian cowards that fled for their lives, and made it stateside? I do. Remarkably, they are far less invested in the war than you, and actually harbor less hatred for Russia than you. They seem rsther remarkably detached. They're also, never going back, and to the extent that they do share a rooting interest, seem to prefer peace to seeing their motherland continue to collapse.

    ...but what do they know...

    :eek::mad::eek:PUTIN IS HITLER!!!:eek::mad::eek:

    Lol!!

    PS--I mentioned the Weimar Rep. in response to y'all's constantly idiotic, stupid and worthless invocation of Hitler. He is less relevant than the WRep bc Hitler was a juggernaut force to be reckoned with (while Putin is a desperate joke), and the WR stands as a historic mess when chaos prevailed, which paved the way for the actual Hitler.

    Neither Russia nor Ukr is the WRep, but they are closer to that level of chaotic ecomonic wreckage than Putin is to Hitler by a country mile, and the key point vis a vis the WRep, is how disastrous several multiple nuclear armed *WReps* would likely be, and the threat to the world THAT would pose, vs Russia shedding a few hundred thousand ruskies, for a sliver of land half the width of Florida.

    Contrasted agsinst completing the evisceration of the greatest borderland bt Russia and NATO....

    So yeah, put me down for peace, and laugh away. I'm laughn back atcha, faux Rambo.
     
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