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Project 2025 Ground Work Has Started.

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  1. ursidman

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    There is a very good reason why career service employees have (some) job protection. Do you know what that is? Political patronage and corruption in the practice of hiring federal employees. James J. Garfield?

    Pendleton Act (1883)

    Following the assassination of President James A. Garfield by a disgruntled job seeker, Congress passed the Pendleton Act in January of 1883. The act took its name from long-time reformer Senator George Hunt Pendleton of Ohio and was signed into law by President Chester A. Arthur, who had become an ardent reformer after Garfield’s assassination.

    Although President George Washington based most of his federal appointments on merit, subsequent presidents deviated from this policy. By the time Andrew Jackson was elected president in 1828, the "spoils system," in which officials rewarded political friends and supporters with government positions, was in full force.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    Looks like Trump is going to pick the little Indian guy for veep. I suspect that he’s bought and paid for, like the rest, but debates should be lopsided.
     
  3. ETGator1

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    Resistance or insurrection, where do you draw the line? Interesting that resistance got Trump impeached in the house twice. If it was simple resistance, then the democrats impeached twice based on charges that didn't rise to high crimes and misdemeanors. That I can 110% believe to be the truth. It's what democrats do, attack political opponents.
     
  4. ETGator1

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    What debates? I ain't watching no debates. I throw up at the sight of Biden, dead man walking.
     
  5. ETGator1

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    It's time to give the government workers an enema.
     
  6. ursidman

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    Im willing to wager you would scream bloody murder if a liberal Dem President replaced 100% of Federal employees and replaced with those who swore loyalty to the cause.

    Not a good idea regardless of practitioner
     
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  7. cobragator

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    Many of the authors of Project 2025 are Christian nationalists who believe in a very fringe vision of Christianity. Essentially, they want the Bible to supplant secular law.

    Some of them make that very much a straightforward statement. It’s kind of a long-term goal to eventually make the United States a Christian nation.

    It also specifically calls for making both our domestic and our foreign policy reflect what some refer to as “traditional family values.” But here the interpretation of those family values is kind of a fringe religious position.

    In law, it not only reflects what some people call “originalism,” but it reflects more and more another theocratic interpretation of law. A lot of the laws now being challenged in court focus not only on things like abortion and reproductive freedom, or DEI [diversity, equity and inclusion], but also things like government authority over the private sector, corporations. Areas like food safety, air safety, or climate change, are all subject to what we would consider a theocratic interpretation of both law and religion. So there’s a fusing here. It is a serious threat to democracy in America.
     
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  8. cobragator

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    To give you an example, they would love to get rid of USAID altogether, but they can’t do that. So there’s a call to make it an agency that reflects family values. Anyone seeking foreign assistance would have to agree to that set of principles. So it would be anti-LGBT, anti-diversity—in other words, no DEI—and anti-choice. And if you aren’t in agreement with that agenda, then you’re not gonna get any US money.

    We’re not just talking about health or HIV, or even LGBT programs. We’re talking about humanitarian assistance, international trade, all of it. DANGEROUS. This is already happening in Hungary.
     
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  9. ETGator1

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    Where did you get 100%?

    If the employees stayed neutral and not weaponized as they should do, none of this would be necessary. Unfortunately, they have become too big for their democratic britches and have become their own worst enemy.

    Honestly, after lawfare targeting Trump and Trump supporters, the CIA and other alphabet agencies conducting election interference and insurrection in 2016 and interference in 2020, I don't give a damn what the opposition thinks.
     
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  10. cobragator

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    Project 2025 strategist Russ Vought is more explicit: “What we’re trying to do is identify the pockets of independence and seize them"

    That's a direct quote. Scary. DANGEROUS.
     
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  11. cobragator

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    The project excites far-right operative Steve Bannon, who has called Heritage the MAGA movement’s “Revolutionary Guard”

    One prospect for a high-level national security position is Kash Patel, who has vowed that a Trump administration would target journalists for criminal prosecution. DANGEROUS.

    Project 2025’s policy agenda runs more than 900 pages, with prescriptions for every U.S. department and scores of agencies. The plan for a far-right transformation of government, law, and society embraces the anti-feminist, anti-choice, and anti-LGBTQ priorities of the Religious Right, calling for “government power” to be deployed to “restore the American family.” It declares that the federal government must protect fertilized eggs from the moment of conception and calls for criminal action against distributors of abortion medication. The plan also decrees that religious business owners should be able to ignore nondiscrimination laws that conflict with their religious beliefs. DANGEROUS!
     
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  12. cobragator

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    The group’s database of potential political appointees includes more than 4,000 names, a start on Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts’ goal of 20,000 vetted true believers ready for a Republican transition team to draw on so that they can “begin dismantling the administrative state from Day 1.”
     
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  13. cobragator

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    It turns out that “freedom” for Project 2025 activists is only freedom to live in alignment with their religious worldview: “When the Founders spoke of ‘pursuit of Happiness,’ what they meant might be understood today as in essence ‘pursuit of Blessedness,’” the report declares, adding, “That is, an individual must be free to live as his Creator ordained—to flourish. Our Constitution grants each of us the liberty to do not what we want, but what we ought.”

    THAT IS 100% BS WRAPPED IN MANURE WITH A PILE OF DUNG ON TOP.
     
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  14. mikemcd810

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    Not going to lie - it's going to be funny when some of the people who support this don't get their social security check/deposit, have issues renewing their passport, get stuck in long lines at TSA, etc. because they only realize too late that they got rid of people who were actually making the government work and replaced them with people who have no clue what they're doing and only got the job because of their political affiliation.

    Don't the type of people who support this claim to hate when the most qualified person doesn't get a job?
     
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  15. ursidman

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    A very authoritarian approach to governance- along the same philosophical lines as communism
     
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  16. ursidman

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    I got it from you - you said you 100% supported replacing career service federal employees. Maybe you just meant Democrats, Independents and other undesirables.
     
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  17. jhoge53_

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    Question for ETGator1 - so you want to fire the Commander of the US Army Corps of Engineers - LT COL Scott Spellmon, graduate of West Point, MS in Civil Engineering from West Point and the Army War College, deployments to Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Operation Enduring Freedom, Afghanistan. Decorations include Legion of Merit, 2 Bronze Stars, Purple Heart, and Combat Action Badge? He is head of a federal agency.
     
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  18. enviroGator

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    Exactly, the tops of the Executive offices (Administrators, and a level or so lower), move with the politics. But the folks down lower, the day to day managers (Office managers, branch chiefs, etc.) and lower level folks SHOULD be free from politics (and are actually very restricted in what they can do politically).

    What Project 25 is working towards is more like how Puerto Rico operates. After every election nearly every manager is replaced. The chaos it creates is a big reason they are little more than a third world country despite being tied to the US.
     
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  19. sierragator

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    All fine and dandy until they come for you. Btw, will the rail cars be equipped with big screen tv's? I'd like to at least watch a gator game on my way to the maga re education camp.
     
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  20. enviroGator

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    Deleted, I see missed the quote he was referring to. My bad.
     
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