Louisiana Becomes First State To Require Ten Commandments In Public School Classrooms

True Christianity also doesn't exist in the Louisiana legislature that passed this bill

 

When we lived in Louisiana we didn't have children yet, but my sis in law did and all their kids went to private schools because the government was so corrupt with Edwin Edwards as governor, no money went to schools, roads etc. LSU was losing professors in droves. I don't think historically they've put a lot of stock in public schools as it is. Now they think this will fix it?

 

It’s a vapid sign, but go ahead, it doesn’t offend me.

 

My favorite Louisiana education story from my time there: when we first moved there, LSU was about to be hit by what is commonly known as academic bankruptcy. They were going to have to open their tenure contracts and fire tenured professors because they had no money. The state relied on oil/gas money and the price had collapsed.

John Bel Edwards (a very, very distant relation of Edwin) was elected Governor as a Democrat with a Republican legislature. He was trying to get them to allocate money to LSU, and they were refusing. LSU was about to close early and not graduate any of their students due to a lack of funds. Edwards told the legislature that this would mean no LSU football in the fall due to academic ineligibility of all players. Within days of him saying that, they found the money that they claimed that the state didn't have.

 

You suspect wrong if you think I’d be happy with overturning the establishment clause. I believe both clauses are intended to protect individuals and groups of people from over reaching government. When the Danberry Baptists wrote to Thomas Jefferson, eliciting the famous “wall of separation” reply, they were being actively persecuted for not being part of the official Congregational Church in Connecticut.

I am well aware that over 200 years, the courts have taken that strong position against the government setting up an official state church with requirements placed on individuals and punishment if the requirements aren’t met, and expanding and watering down “establishment” to mean anything of religious content on public property.

 

What do private schools have to do with this?

This conversation is about the posting in public schools. Because many (falsely) think it pushes Christianity over other religions. When in fact it may be the most "inclusive" religious text in existence and in fact does not single out any one faith, but actually is a major part of like 80% of all religious beliefs.

 

So you think it pushes "their" religion? Based on what though? Because the fact is it doesnt push one religion at all.

 

Well said. It is amazing how uneducated on this matter people are.

 

This is sadly the mentality of many. Especially in conservative small southern areas.

But this debate is only about Christianity to the religiously ignorant. (On both sides)

 

I agree with you 100%. Private schools should be able to do whatever they want, as anyone who attends them should be doing so totally by their choice, and paying 100% of the cost to attend.

 

Isn’t the public library part of the government? Are you saying that if an individual public school choses to put up the 10 Commandments, then that’s OK?

 

Just LOL.

Yes, this is why so many, and such a wide diversity of, faiths so adamantly want the Ten Commandments posted in their all schools.

 

They will pay the cost, by keeping more of the money THEY EARNED.

I am fine with elimination of a vouchers concept IF you provide tax breaks/credits to people of certain income levels to allow them to freely choose the school THEIR kids attend.

Then it is never the "governments" money in the first place.

But that isnt really what this is about for some folks.

 

Look "Jo". If Christians think the required posting of this text is somehow a "christian" only thing, than they are ignorant too.

Thee 10c is ecumenical. It is practiced by almost every faith tradition on earth. Especially the Abrahamic traditions which is like 80% of all religions.

So anyone, on any side, that thinks it is a singular religion" text, is just ignorant on the subject and that is on them.

I like the 10C. Think they are a great set of laws to abide by, but I choose focusing on the TWO that Christianity teaches because that covers a much broader field than the 10 actually did.

 

Sure. Very nice. Via tax breaks or vouchers, they can choose to pay for......well, only what THEY consume. They don't have to pay for all those other public education services that they don't directly consume. Like Special Education students, deaf and hard of hearing, English Language learners, behavioral challenges, etc. etc. etc.

Why should private school parents have to contribute anything towards THAT, when they (or their kids) don't consume those services?

Say, tax payers without children should have identical freedoms, yes? Why should THEY have to pay for these services for children who are not theirs? It's not something about collectively paying for the common good, is it?

Am i doing this right?

 

Where have I ever said any of that?
1. Affluent families should not get vouchers.
2. Any credit/voucher should only cover the equivalent cost of educating your child in the public school. Any overrun would be paid out of pocket
3. The amount that the avg American contributes to special needs programs should still be paid in taxes above the cost of the voucher as I set forth above.

Where is this idea that private school parents should contribute nothing to the common good?

Why cant both things be true?

People get tax breaks all the time. (The ACA gives tax credits to those that need it) That doesnt mean you dont still contribute to the overall common good above whatever you get as a tax break.

 

Vouchers would’ve really helped your relatives!

 

1. Pretty sure we have similar if not identical signs all over public schools. Especially in June.
2. Those are very vague terms which in a vacuum take no real religious or political position.
3. So I am not really sure what your point is.

 

Abrahamic religions are not 80% of all religions in the world. There are far more than 5 religions in the world. Also, they do not account for 80% of the population of the world or even close to it.

 

Did you even read what you posted?

So these voucher recipients will receive back precisely what it otherwise would have cost to educate their child - allowing them to specifically choose where their educational-directed tax dollars are spent.......and allowing them to pay NOTHING towards those elements of education they perceive to not benefit them.

Sounds magnificent. I guess the rest of the tax base will just pony up a little bit more to pay for all the services that the voucher recipients chose not to fund. (Remember, the voucher recipients are only funding the schools/service providers of THEIR CHOICE, which benefit only THEIR children.)


Really dig this system. Kind of neglects obligation towards the common good, but really improves.....freedom. Can we do this with the military also?