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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. okeechobee

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    Yes, please tell me when the Russian people are going to oust Putin. Trump has already criticized the American weapons being green lighted for use inside of Russia. President Trump will offer a fair resolution to both parties. Ukraine will not be forced to give up Kyiv. Only the Russian speaking regions. No NATO for Ukraine. When's that coup happening? LOLOLOLOLOL
     
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    More spontaneous combustion in Russia. This time it is a major gas pipeline. I wonder if all the Adidas tracksuits generate too much static electricity? Just a thought...

     
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  3. okeechobee

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    Trump is going to have to fix Ukraine. Biden is old, feeble and weak.
     
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  4. slayerxing

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    Still not owning it. Pathetic.
     
  5. uftaipan

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    I don’t disagree. But now tell me which one of those adjectives does not also describe Trump. Reminds of this line by Jodie Comer in The Last Duel.
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  6. slayerxing

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    Trump is going to "fix" it.. for the Russians lol. - Trump threatens to cut US aid to Ukraine quickly if reelected – POLITICO

    In other news - the world is getting tired of war - only 90 countries at the summit in switzerland - 80 countries at Swiss conference agree Ukraine's territorial integrity must be basis of any peace - only 80 signed the document that included some pretty basic shit.

    This short podcast from AlJazeera paints a pretty dire picture as it relates to things on the front line for Ukraine, especially as it relates to recruitment.
    The Take: Ukraine desperately needs new soldiers

    I want to add that there are some really good interactive maps here at ISW:
    Interactive Time-lapse: Russia's War in Ukraine
    If you scroll down you can compare time lapse data to give you an idea of how little the lines have changed, even with a lot of small Russian advances in the past few months.
    Consider how many tens of thousands have died, on both sides, for such a small exchange of territory. it's real WW1 type stuff. Crazy.
     
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  7. danmanne65

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    It’s some really Galipoli level crap going on. I almost feel sorry for the Russian soldiers.
     
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  8. uftaipan

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    Well, I can’t do that. I’m a helicopter pilot, not a psychic, man. I can only tell you that there are indicators — many open-source; many you aren’t privy to yet — that strongly suggest Putin himself is increasingly worried about that possibility. And it’s not the people who concern him as much as his inner circle who protect him from the people. But it looks like you’re getting a little worried yourself as evidenced by your progressively shrill and emotional posts. As I said, I am continuously prepared to reevaluate my assessment of the trajectory of the war based on a decline in Ukrainian elan and/or meaningful Russian victories in the field. If your boys actually capture Kharkiv, then it’s time for a hard look. If they just keep threatening to do stuff, then no. I’m past two hands and two feet on Russian threats that they were unable and/or unwilling to carry out.
     
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  9. uftaipan

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    I don’t. It’s necessary and proper that they suffer. The suffering will alleviate quite a bit when they have had enough and turn their guns on the architects of this war of aggression.
     
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  10. duggers_dad

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    It’s true that Ukrainians hate Russians more than Russians hate Ukrainians. This is so much the case that Ukrainians would probably happily sacrifice ten of their own for the glory of killing one Russian.

    And that’s probably roughly the kill ratio.
     
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    This is roughly a trillion dollars. Left out: it would take millions of troops. Problem: Western families aren’t having five kids anymore …

     
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    Well I did qualify my answer with almost. lol. Honestly though I typically blame the decision maker more than the lambs being slaughtered.
     
  13. okeechobee

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    "Zelenskyy's allies are to blame"... yeah, imagine that. Military industrial complex gonna military industrial complex.
     
  14. uftaipan

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    Goodness, you’re down to that? Recycled left-wing tropes about a mythical military-industrial complex that fail to understand the context and meaning of the man (Eisenhower) who coined the term. You must really be getting worried about Russia’s ability to win this thing in the field.

    Maybe throw in a few references to the Elders of Zion and how world Jewry is secretly behind this war next?
     
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    Shouldn’t they have called it the “War Summit” ?

     
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    I just went to see what I could see outside of this thread on how is Russia's most recent offensive in the Ukraine going.

    This is 35 minutes old and doesn't look like it debunks but rather supports the line of thought that most recently the Ukranians are doing heavy damage to the Russia invaders. Maybe the Guardian isn't a reliable source. But here is what they have written: Russian soldier says army suffering heavy losses in Kharkiv offensive
     
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  18. slayerxing

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    this is pretty much the consensus from just about everyone.

    the biggest issue for Ukraine is that recruitment rate. Russia is recruiting new meat faster than they lose it. I’m not sure if Ukraine can say the same.
     
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    I’m not sure that’s true. I understand why Russia wants us to think that’s true, but there’s a reason they have not executed the next round of mobilization their generals have begged for. There’s only two reasons not to take advantage of Russia’s massive manpower. The first would be it’s not necessary, and I would say you would really have to suspend disbelief to buy that Russia thinks it’s winning militarily and has no need for more troops in the field. The second is you fear the domestic effects of another draft call more than you fear continuing the war with no end in sight.
     
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  20. okeechobee

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    Again, as of the last update with geolocated imagery and reporting, Russia is literally advancing everywhere. The same sources were very quick to point out where Ukraine was making headway in the past. Many times their reports had a pro-Ukrainian feel, simply because they were noting more Ukrainian successes than Russian successes in several of their reports from the counteroffensive Ukraine attempted last year. These same sources are reporting today nothing but Russian gains. Incremental gains, but all Russian gains nonetheless. Just because Russia isn’t overrunning the Ukrainian military blitzkreig style doesn’t mean they are losing the war.