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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. slayerxing

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    I'm pretty sure military equipment makes a difference... I mean... call me crazy... but every little bit helps.
     
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  3. slayerxing

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    Nothing here to really brag about unless you feel a need to thump your chest about recovering a small amount of lost ground. It's like bragging that you only lost by 25 points instead of 30. "More and more news." More like more and more propaganda that you for some reason don't seem to question even though for almost two years, everything they tell you is going to happen doesn't happen. But that goes back to 'there's a sucker born every second' idiom. Propagandists need people like you who don't think, just eat up their jizz and never question anything. It has quite the grip over you.
     
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  6. slayerxing

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    1. I'm not bragging - I'm sharing info. There are multiple sources that corroborate shit in the north has gone very poorly for Russia. Telegram and otherwise.
    2. Remember when the offensive started and people like you said, uh oh, beginning of the end?
    Even Putin, after moving the goal posts and calling it a campaign to create a buffer zone, has acknowledged that Russian forces have not pushed Ukrainian forces far enough from the international border to prevent long-range strikes on Russian territory.

    Hell - this is what YOU said on May 15th-
    3. I won't even address the propaganda claims from someone like you lol. Multiple sources are all reporting the same stuff.

    Edit - I'm waiting for you to tell me again how this is some brilliant russian move though - please enlighten us with your sources that are beacons of truth...
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    So that’s something like the 20th time you’ve used that GIF in the past month. Original thought is not your strength, is it?
     
  8. uftaipan

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    Trapping a bag of 400 prisoners would be the bigger part of that, if true and if Ukraine can close the deal. That's how you really find out what's going on with the Russians, how morale is, what they believe is going on, how well they are eating, and so on. The prisoners captured around Kyiv absolutely squealed. They apparently had little or no training in evading interrogation techniques. And those were the experienced, professional soldiers, not the guys rushed through training to the front that you would be seeing around Kharkiv.
     
  9. slayerxing

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    That's what I wanted to emphasize - I should have copied and pasted a paragraph or two.
    Capturing 400 at once would be rare - I don't think so many soldiers have been captured at once since the beginning of the war when the Russians took the steel mill.
     
  10. okeechobee

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    Understand that before May 15th, Ukraine was slowly losing ground. Russia then opened up a new front just outside of Kharkov. New territory was seized by Russia. Did Russia start losing in the Donbass because they opened a new front? No. Did Ukraine lose a little more ground than usual during the past few weeks due to the Kharkov push? Yes. Ukraine simply fighting back against newly conquered territory is what we'd all expect them to do. But it's not an accomplishment to celebrate. They're still in the hole compared to where they were before May 15th. As long as there are still quite a few villages under Russian control on what used to be Ukrainian territory, understand Russia is ahead in that immediate theatre. Ukraine is doing their best to clean up spilt milk.

    And they are the same sources who have been telling us for two years that Russia's economy will collapse at any moment, Russia's military will collapse at any moment and that Ukraine actually can liberate all seized territory. Those are all huge miscalculations. Why would I take the same sources words as gospel? Why would I expect them to acknowledge Russian gains? I actually purposely read only MSM stories about the war. You'll see in this very thread when I link a story, 95% of the time it's from an MSM source. I don't link blogs and I don't link propaganda rags. I get my news about Ukraine from AP, Reuters, NBC. I want to be proven wrong. Thus far most of the predictions and analyses you have posted have been bunker than bunk. Perhaps you should try the same course. Read only MSM, sift through the rah rah (it's really easy to spot) and look at what's actually happening from a neutral perspective. Russia occupying 20% of Ukraine and that line barely budging in the past two years is not Ukraine winning or doing anything noteworthy.
     
  11. slayerxing

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    When have I personally predicted anything? I haven't predicted shit. You literally predicted the fall of Kharkiv last month, and now are making excuses about it. You regularly make predictions regarding Ukraine that have been proven incorrect. Out of the two of us, who spends the most time making predictions? It certainly isn't me. I post DK, again, and I've said this repeatedly, because they gather their info from multiple sources, including MSM, telegram, ISW, etc and then post it in one spot. It's just easier to post a single link then to post every damn thing I've read on the internet into the thread.

    Further, regarding DK - many of their contributors have been calling for the west to do more on sanctions, to do more to help Ukraine. So this idea that they have predicted the fall of Russia for 2 hears is kinda BS. Because they have said repeatedly the US isn't doing enough. They have hoped and rooted for the Russians to fail, but they were pretty honest in their assessment, especially when US aid wasn't flowing, that Ukraine was in trouble.

    You would know that, if you actually read what I linked and didn't just shit on it. I mean they literally just repost other peoples news into one aggregated document once a day - it isn't exactly rocket science. Does it just piss you off that they are actively rooting for Ukraine to win? lol. Or that they post videos of people rescuing pets? Get a grip.

    YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT KHARKIV. Don't be a bitch. Own it.
     
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    the fear is that with their air defenses down, they may get a hair trigger on a false radar echo or something and launch a nuke attack
     
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    it would make sense that these have been in play already with multiple sams being identified and targeted lately. maybe it is just the atacms longer reach but someone is helping them identify where to send them
     
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    Against whom? Just someone, somewhere? They don't just have early warning radar. They also have satellites that tell them if there's a missile launch. Now if all of a sudden all of their satellites and radar systems were taken down simultaneously, or nearly so, then that might trigger a desperate launch under the assumption they were about to receive a full strike. But radar going down due to enemy fire near a combat zone in a war that they started won't trigger such a response, though I understand why they would want to hint that it would just to try and deter future attacks. It falls to Russia to protect its radars from Ukrainian fires. They wanted this war. This is what war looks like.
     
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    If I had to guess, I would say it was a friendly country with full satellite coverage of Russia.
     
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    Latest update and I don’t see anything wrong that I said about Kharkov. Russians are advancing in every direction. Their forces in the Kharkov region seem to be doing just fine. Weeb is straight up. A year ago, many of his updates showed more Ukrainian advances on some days than Russian advances. Today’s update is all Russian advances. Ukraine isn’t doing shit!!

     
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    Still not counting casualties on the scoreboard, I see. You need to start getting into your hero Putin’s head and figuring out what matters to him more than a few kilometers gained here and there. Now if he could capture or surround Kharkiv, bagging a huge part of the Ukrainian Army in the process and capturing a bunch of Western weapons, then that would be significant. That would possibly be worth the bloodletting the Russians are taking. What’s going on now is a huge net loss for Russia, no matter how you want to spin it. You’re backing the wrong horse. And even if Trump wins (which he won’t), you are in for a disappointment if you think he’s just going to sacrifice Ukraine to your Russians. Last December, I got to speak in DC with people who would serve on his national security team if he wins. Their take on Ukraine is different than Biden’s but not as radically different as you want to believe. You may have forgotten exactly which President first authorized giving weapons to Ukraine. But then again maybe you’ll immediately change course and start supporting a strategic defeat of Russia once Trump tells you it’s a good idea.
     
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  18. slayerxing

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    What kind of man can’t even own it when he’s wrong? Smdh…
     
  19. slayerxing

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    Russian advance has slowed since us aid started flowing again. It’s being measured in meters when it happens at all, not kilometers. At the rate they are losing troops per meter of ground gained they’ll absolutely need some kind of mobilization to keep going in the long term. I guess the question is can the smaller Ukraine keep up - like are there enough bodies available to keep this up.