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Wishing All the Homophobes a Super Uncomfortable Month, by Mary Katherine Backstrom

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by philnotfil, Jun 14, 2024.

  1. l_boy

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    I am going to guess that the author of the article you posted and most gay people would not be impressed with that answer. It’s ok to be attracted to the same sex, as long as you never act upon it.
     
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  3. okeechobee

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    Hmmm. Would a loving God create a human who was attracted to the same gender and punish said human for acting out those desires? God must be quite the sadist.
     
  4. tampagtr

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    Was the invitation to live eternally with these individuals in the afterlife tempting? Were you drawn into their benign radiance?
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    “You can’t keep the bird from flying over your head, but you can keep it from nesting on your head.”
    — Martin Luther —
     
  6. WarDamnGator

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    "Sin" is just a man-made concept for "something I don't like".
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    Source ?
     
  8. philnotfil

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    All of God's commandments are given because our natural tendencies lead us away from Him. Not everyone is prone to fail every commandment, but every mortal has at least one commandment they fail to keep because of their natural tendencies. We all fall short of the glorious standard of God, and we are all in need of a Savior. It doesn't matter what our failing is, we are all imperfect.

    "Don't judge someone just because they sin differently than you"

    No unclean thing can dwell in the presence of God. We are all unclean things. Just because my sin is different from your doesn't make me or you better than the other. We all fall short.
     
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  9. duggers_dad

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    Homosexuality is the only sin with a PR department.
     
  10. lacuna

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    Homosexuality alone has caused nothing near the damage wreaked by greedy unscrupulous people who covet wealth and power, much of which they are not ethically or even legally entitled. Though the prohibition on covetousness barely made the Top Ten, etched in the number 10 slot, a prohibition against homosexuality didn't even make the Decalogue.



    Greed is what drives immoral and synonymous covetous acts. Trump has admitted admits, even boasted of his greed. He and his MAGA acolytes have picked up and now carry Gekko's mantle.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...7fccde-e099-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

    "Wherever he was, whatever his title, the president has used the powers at his disposal to enrich or otherwise benefit himself, regardless of what law, fiduciary duty or oath of office bound him to do.

    "Trump ran his campaign in 2016 on a single premise: greed. (Okay, two premises: greed and racism.) He boasted to his fans about his (inflated) wealth and gilded lifestyle, both products of clever deployments of his avarice. It was a trait he promised, paradoxically, that he’d apply more altruistically once elected.

    “'My whole life I’ve been greedy, greedy, greedy,' he said at a January 2016 rally. 'I’ve grabbed all the money I could get. I’m so greedy. But now I want to be greedy for the United States. I want to grab all that money. I’m going to be greedy for the United States.'”

    Trump learned from his father how to grease deals in his favor -
    "This was the case when the Trump family set up a shell company called All County Building Supply & Maintenance in the early 1990s, to pretend to purchase boilers, cleaning supplies and other building equipment from (real) vendors. This middleman, which existed only on paper, then “resold” everything at an inflated price to the Trump Organization. The purpose of the shell company was to allow Trump’s father, Fred, to transfer huge cash gifts to his children as though they were ordinary business transactions. This helped the Trump family evade a 55 percent estate tax, as the New York Times reported last year."
     
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  11. tampagtr

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    It's important to note that at least under natural law formations which form the basis under Aquinas for Catholic moral law, homosexuality is a sin against the natural law because it is not open to procreation, and therefore violates the natural order. So it is equally sinful as is masturbation and any non procreative sex. Important to consider for those who condemn it as unnatural.
     
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    So God makes the commandments, because the way he created us naturally leads us away from those commandments. Everybody breaks the commandments. The Son is the lifetime get out of jail free card that makes it all okay.

    Here are my commandments. Heed my word. Ahh, you're not going to heed my word are you? That's okay, I set you up for failure; I created you to fail. But do obeisance to my son, would you? One way or the other, you will bow down to my authority. With sin, even though I programmed you to sin, I'll hold it over your head and you must bow to my son. You'll blame your problems on Lucifer, even though he had nothing to do with your creation. I created you to stray from me. Kiss my son's ring or else I'll drop you in the eternal fire pit.
     
  13. duggers_dad

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    Greedaphobe.
     
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    Try to remember the first time your parents caught you in a lie. How did the “You made me this way!” argument work ?
     
  15. BigCypressGator1981

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    You’re far too hard on yourself. We are just highly evolved mammals. Prone to the same animal instincts inherent to any creature that has evolved over millions of years to be the way they are. It’s not “sin.” It’s human nature.

    Also, you mentioned up thread that desiring homosexual encounters is not a sin but acting upon it is - how do you square that with the 10th commandment? What makes jealousy different than desire?

    Half of the Ten Commandments have nothing to do with the ethic of reciprocity. Only 5 things on that list hurt others. I’m not sure how anyone takes it seriously as any sort of moral compass.
     
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    Good point. The mind must also be redeemed.
     
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    That’s not the same argument or even close.
     
  18. duggers_dad

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    I disagree. You’ve chased off God, so your parents made you a little liar. Take it up with them.
     
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    I think you wrongly create a dichotomy between greed, covetousness, and sexual sin. There is a dimension to all sexual sin that is greedy and covetous, including homosexuality. The scripture certainly applies the concepts of covetousness and greed to every kind of impurity:

    Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ! -Ephesians 4:17-20

    The New Testament scriptures also do not downplay sexual sin as lesser than other sins. The scripture says of sexual sin:

    Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. -1 Corinthians 6:18

    I would not make any declarations comparing the damage of one sin to another until after sentencing has concluded on the day of judgment. Only then will we know the true damage and all of the ripple effects that damage has caused. This is why I do not find the exercise of saying, "Well, this sin is worse than that sin" to be helpful. There is some truth in these comparisons. For example, lust and adultery are both sins, and we might downplay lust because adultery is the more serious sin. However, there is a romance or a love for sin in the human heart that latches onto these comparisons, and quietly says, "Phew, good! I don't have to give up my beloved sin because that sin over there is the really bad sin I want to avoid." The problem with this line of thinking, though, is Jesus said we need to take lust so seriously that we should be willing to go as far as plucking out an eye ball or chopping off a hand to be rid of it. You amputate something if the threat is lethal, which in the sermon on the mount Jesus describes this lethal threat as being thrown into hell. The scripture does not mince words or downplay any kind of sin. All sin extends the threat of hell. All sin, no matter its severity, requires the sinner to turn to God in a spirit of gospel faith and gospel repentance for the forgiveness of sin, or face severe consequences beyond what we can bear.

    I think there is some truth in the point that maybe some sins are more accepted and practiced in the church than others. I don't think you can find a single sentence in scripture that prescribes downgrading all of our moral standards to be equally lax in the areas where we have compromised. The solution prescribed is the opposite: "Go and sin no more." It is gospel repentance.
     
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    She’s a Trumpaphobe too.
     
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