Good guy with gun kills a teen returning an airsoft gun to sporting goods store

I guess it would depend on if you required a gun to be used to qualify awas being saved by a gun.

 

Sadly I think regardless of what the jury does this stuff will happen. World is full of idiots.

 

#MindYourBusiness

#LeavePeopleAlone

 

Nowhere did I say anyone supported this murder. What I said, and will now repeat in much smaller words this time, is you people have no interest in trying to stop murders like this before they happen because you want no restrictions on gun ownership and openly attack those who seek to impose them.

However, since you broached the subject, no, I do not equate the right to bear arms with murder. That said, handguns exist for no other reason than killing human beings. Whether that be to kill yourself or kill someone else, there is no other reason for handguns to exist.

 

You do know how ignorant this is right?
“You people”? Can you paint with any broader brush? Who are my people… please show your ignorance again.
“Don’t want to stop murders before they happen”? Would love ve to stop all murders before they happen but minority report isn’t happening in my lifetime. Pure ignorance.
“You want no restrictions on gun ownership” Who? Me? Nope. I believe I have posted many many times what changes I’d make to gun ownership laws.. including but not limited to a tiered licensing program… background checks and much harsher penalties for those that carry unlicensed.so….no restrictions isn’t close. Just pure ignorance.
“Openly attack those that seek to impose them”?
Please name one time I’ve openly attacked anyone seeking to impose gun laws of any sort? Or do you conflate a disagreement with an open attack? Ignorance.

 

My guess would be that your votes counter every rational thing that you just said you are for.

 

Nope. I will admit that on national level gun control
Isn’t a deciding factor most election years. On the local level my votes range all across the board. I view all
Political parties as garbage and try to vote on the candidate.. not the party. Never have seen a perfect candidate, never have seen none that aligns with my values completely so I just pick the best/closest that I can. That is more often than not someone from outside the two main political parties.

 

You and I live in two different realities, considering I have two twin nephews that height at 13 years old. They look nothing like grown men, even at their heights.

 

Hopefully no deranged loser with a gun ever decides to stalk them and start a fight. #MindYourBusiness #LeavePeopleAlone

 

My 13 year old is almost 5'10" and all you have to do is watch his brain work for 20 seconds to know he is a child.

 

Probably start by not stalking someone through a dark neighborhood? Should have never gotten out of his car really (as the 911 operator instructed him not to).

I don’t think we know how close Zimmerman got, but it’s pretty damn easy to figure it was close enough that Martin became aware of him and very likely felt threatened by the creepy guy following him.

 

I fear you're right.

 

Why are we rehashing the Zimmerman trial/case? It was years ago and brought nothing but contention to this board. No matter what side you agreed with.. you were right and wrong. For the record, I think Simmerman was an ass that did a lot wrong and got himself in a situation where he thought his only recourse was deadly violence. Complete moron.
And people have been killing pwople since the very beginning. Rocks, sticks, knives, swords, arrows, spears… no amount of laws will stop it. No civilization has stopped it.

 

Probably because it’s the most famous/top of mind comparison to “crazy wannabe cop shoots a random teenager dead”?

Obviously each individual case has its own particulars. This one has the video evidence the other lacked.

 

The problem with the experiment is a flawed premise. If both of those populations were white collar, suburban neighborhoods with low poverty and crime and no felons amongst them? Sure, they would follow the rules of the game and the ones with no guns would be likely to emerge with fewer deaths absent no other external factors. But that isn't the reality in our country. These walled gardens with rainbows and unicorns don't exist, and even if they did, at some point some subset of those folks will acquire authority over the rest of the population and start the exercise of boiling the frog.

But on the other hand, what if the populations were half inside Compton or another impoverished, inner city area with higher crime, felons, poverty, gangs, etc? Likely a far different outcome because there is very little incentive for folks with little to nothing to lose to follow the rules of a society that isn't benefitting them. Rules and walls in prisons don't stop contraband. You forbid one group from having guns and the people in that population with little to nothing to lose and who are systemically incentivized in violent culture are still going to acquire them as long as they exist, because it gives them an edge on the rest of their subset of the population.

 

Your implicit argument here is that guns are a tool of domination, not protection. And that people being dominated will seek to acquire them so as not to be dominated.

 

An interesting premise. Let's see if it matches the real world. Would you say that countries with strict gun control and some level of poverty and the related problems have extensive illegal guns? I'd suggest that real world data shows that illegal guns are hard to come by and expensive (limiting access to those in poverty) when there isn't a massive grey market of guns in a country or a massive supply of legal guns to steal.

 

So telling in the argument for gun freedom

 

Guns are a tool of power to injure and take life. Tools do not have motivation or discriminate. That power can be wielded for good or ill purposes in actuality (using them) or implication (threat of force)

 

Well, look at much of Central and South America, and it isn't just guns. Property rights, drugs, corruption...the worst off the population the more lawless they tend to behave. People with nothing to lose don't follow laws that don't benefit them.