Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

Let’s assume they were coerced. Were they coerced by the hostages? Were they coerced by Israel? And from their eyes, does it matter?!?!? They were complicit in knowingly facilitating the kidnappings. But even if they did everything with the gun to their head, who was holding the gun?!?!?! This falls squarely at the feet of Hamas, their supporters and apologists.

 

Wait … seriously?!?! There are many openly rooting for Hamas, calling the kidnapped “prisoners of war, etc. My goodness, the chants at the moronic student protests, applauded by the Mullah of Iran, sponsored by Hamas and Iran, were openly supporting Hamas.

 

what in gods name are you blathering about? Coerced by the hostages? Israel? If they were coerced to house hostages against their will of course it was Hamas who coerced them to do so. That’s who kidnapped them.

 

You seem to want to sympathize with the. “Innocent” captors. It sounds like you want to blame Israel that they were put down during the rescue, that we should have pity for them.

 

Yeah I haven’t seen a single protest that is PRO-HAMAS. They are anti-Israel.

Hamas has a green flag with white Arabic writing on it. Easily identifiable. If people wanted to openly “support Hamas” they would be flying this flag instead of the Palestinian flag.

 

And having minimal information about the situation you are certain they are complicit (putting “innocents” in quotes) and ready to march them to the gallows. How about let’s wait and see.

 

I’m talking about the people that LITERALLY HELD THE KIDNAPPED IN THEIR HOMES!!! I’m pretty sure they knew what they were doing.

 

good god what don’t you grasp about the possibility that they were coerced? They live in a place that is CONTROLLED BY TERRORISTS!

 

What are blathering about, then?! That Israel should not have rescued her citizens because Hamas was coercing its people to imprison the kidnapped? And while we are talking about the “coerced,” was the Hamas Ministry of Labor spokesman seriously “coerced” to jail the Israelis in his home?

I certainly hate to see any loss of innocent life. But there is not a single tear that I will shed for the death of those who held the kidnapped.

 

We are clearly misunderstanding each other. Israel was fully justified to go in there and get them. This is actually one of the few instances I can recall offhand since this conflict started that seemed wholly justified for Israel because it produced a clear result. I’m not sure why you think I’m suggesting otherwise.

I’m only suggesting caution before declaring anyone who was holding hostages as complicit until more details come out.

Maybe they were. Maybe they weren’t. I just see a lot of Americans looking for reasons to blame all Palestinians for their current plight.

 

You need to get ahold of yourself - your replies on this thread are approaching being unhinged.

Your quoted text is impossible. If "regular people" are holding hostages, in this case that makes them terrorists (in other cases, criminals). And if that is the case, good riddance to them.

But you posted Twitter threads, which I read, but are totally unverified. In fact, some posters on those threads tried to lie and imply that the owner of the apartment was an "Al Jazeera journalist." Which was readily disputed.

So - stop with your campaign of quoting unverified information in order to portray all Palestinian civilians as terrorists. It's a feeble attempt to parlay that into justification for all the civilian deaths Israel has caused. But if those deaths are justified, it certainly won't be because of these dubious reports you post.

Be better.

 

Just stop it. Nobody has been "cheering for Hamas." Are you really going to lower yourself to the level of that guy who calls everyone "Skippy Sport" and tells everyone how much their posting is enabling the terrorists?

People who strongly oppose the Israeli tactics that have resulted in 10s of thousands of civilian deaths certainly are not "cheering for Hamas." Jesus, it's like if people on this thread were personally calling you a "baby killer" and asking why you love killing innocent women and children so much. (Which obviously isn't happening.)

Be better.

 

I'm speechless at this point.

Do you really think that people are "blaming Israel" or that people are asserting that "Israel should not have rescued her citizens"? Do you really think that? Amazing.

Now; there are many reports of huge numbers of civilian casualties resulting from this. AFAIK the actual truth is still hard to pin down. But some seemingly credible sources like AP journalists or Doctors Without Borders seem to be reporting that civilian deaths may approach or exceed 100, including women and children, and that civilian injuries are several hundred. I don't claim to know if that's correct, at this point. Or the exact details of what occurred.


But......AS ALWAYS.........one issue is very very appropriate to debate. Specifically, how many civilian casualties is an acceptable number in this longstanding engagement? And no, to have that discussion does NOT mean someone thinks that "Israel should not have rescued her citizens."

 

So the IDF killed 300+ Palestinians to rescue 4 Israeli hostages. Interesting.

 

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Does this guy along with his wife and father count as civilian casualties? So this ‘journalist’ is killed while housing 3 hostages with his wife and father who were also killed

 

Why is that interesting?

 

Yes. We were misunderstanding each other. I thought you were blaming/accusing Israel of wrongdoing for rescuing her citizens. Your post cleared it up.

 

I think that the answer is : we can't be sure, but most likely he (they all?) should be considered terrorist. But we can't really be sure, right?

That's not really the important issue or question, though. IMO these are :

1) Since any civilian assisting terrorists is then, by definition themselves a terrorist, it's not really productive to use this guy as an example (as was attempted earlier) that most of the civilian populace is thus sympathetic to terrorists simply because this dude (and certainly others) possibly/probably is. In fact, the proper term for such suggestion is gaslighting.

2) Is the Israeli strategy, which has clearly resulted in 10s of thousands of civilian casualties, even effective in the long run. It seems pretty clear that it's probably not.

 

Good to see the media in England is same as ours and similar to a lot of opinions here on gatorcountry. So the hostages were being held by civilians( so called human shields) in a civilian area( more so called human shields) and what does the anchor ask?? “Should the IDF have warned the civilians prior to the rescue” That’s some next level contortion of logic. For reference she asks the question about half way through.

Free Free hostages from so called human shields