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I think it's a distinction without a real difference. While they were being held in a regular residential apartment building they were kidnapped and placed there by Hamas fighters. They certainly weren't free to return to Israel.

 

The distinction is that these ordinary “innocents” served as the captors.

 

confirmed this will be made into an awesome movie.

 

We have no idea if they were coerced to do so or not. If they were willingly aiding Hamas then they ARE Hamas. No need to try to paint all the innocents in Gaza as complicit because of this.

 

who is cheering for Hamas? Being critical of Israel does not make one a Hamas supporter. Be better.

 

Let’s assume they were coerced. Were they coerced by the hostages? Were they coerced by Israel? And from their eyes, does it matter?!?!? They were complicit in knowingly facilitating the kidnappings. But even if they did everything with the gun to their head, who was holding the gun?!?!?! This falls squarely at the feet of Hamas, their supporters and apologists.

 

Wait … seriously?!?! There are many openly rooting for Hamas, calling the kidnapped “prisoners of war, etc. My goodness, the chants at the moronic student protests, applauded by the Mullah of Iran, sponsored by Hamas and Iran, were openly supporting Hamas.

 

what in gods name are you blathering about? Coerced by the hostages? Israel? If they were coerced to house hostages against their will of course it was Hamas who coerced them to do so. That’s who kidnapped them.

 

You seem to want to sympathize with the. “Innocent” captors. It sounds like you want to blame Israel that they were put down during the rescue, that we should have pity for them.

 

Yeah I haven’t seen a single protest that is PRO-HAMAS. They are anti-Israel.

Hamas has a green flag with white Arabic writing on it. Easily identifiable. If people wanted to openly “support Hamas” they would be flying this flag instead of the Palestinian flag.

 

And having minimal information about the situation you are certain they are complicit (putting “innocents” in quotes) and ready to march them to the gallows. How about let’s wait and see.

 

I’m talking about the people that LITERALLY HELD THE KIDNAPPED IN THEIR HOMES!!! I’m pretty sure they knew what they were doing.

 

good god what don’t you grasp about the possibility that they were coerced? They live in a place that is CONTROLLED BY TERRORISTS!

 

What are blathering about, then?! That Israel should not have rescued her citizens because Hamas was coercing its people to imprison the kidnapped? And while we are talking about the “coerced,” was the Hamas Ministry of Labor spokesman seriously “coerced” to jail the Israelis in his home?

I certainly hate to see any loss of innocent life. But there is not a single tear that I will shed for the death of those who held the kidnapped.

 

We are clearly misunderstanding each other. Israel was fully justified to go in there and get them. This is actually one of the few instances I can recall offhand since this conflict started that seemed wholly justified for Israel because it produced a clear result. I’m not sure why you think I’m suggesting otherwise.

I’m only suggesting caution before declaring anyone who was holding hostages as complicit until more details come out.

Maybe they were. Maybe they weren’t. I just see a lot of Americans looking for reasons to blame all Palestinians for their current plight.

 

You need to get ahold of yourself - your replies on this thread are approaching being unhinged.

Your quoted text is impossible. If "regular people" are holding hostages, in this case that makes them terrorists (in other cases, criminals). And if that is the case, good riddance to them.

But you posted Twitter threads, which I read, but are totally unverified. In fact, some posters on those threads tried to lie and imply that the owner of the apartment was an "Al Jazeera journalist." Which was readily disputed.

So - stop with your campaign of quoting unverified information in order to portray all Palestinian civilians as terrorists. It's a feeble attempt to parlay that into justification for all the civilian deaths Israel has caused. But if those deaths are justified, it certainly won't be because of these dubious reports you post.

Be better.

 

Just stop it. Nobody has been "cheering for Hamas." Are you really going to lower yourself to the level of that guy who calls everyone "Skippy Sport" and tells everyone how much their posting is enabling the terrorists?

People who strongly oppose the Israeli tactics that have resulted in 10s of thousands of civilian deaths certainly are not "cheering for Hamas." Jesus, it's like if people on this thread were personally calling you a "baby killer" and asking why you love killing innocent women and children so much. (Which obviously isn't happening.)

Be better.

 

I'm speechless at this point.

Do you really think that people are "blaming Israel" or that people are asserting that "Israel should not have rescued her citizens"? Do you really think that? Amazing.

Now; there are many reports of huge numbers of civilian casualties resulting from this. AFAIK the actual truth is still hard to pin down. But some seemingly credible sources like AP journalists or Doctors Without Borders seem to be reporting that civilian deaths may approach or exceed 100, including women and children, and that civilian injuries are several hundred. I don't claim to know if that's correct, at this point. Or the exact details of what occurred.


But......AS ALWAYS.........one issue is very very appropriate to debate. Specifically, how many civilian casualties is an acceptable number in this longstanding engagement? And no, to have that discussion does NOT mean someone thinks that "Israel should not have rescued her citizens."

 

So the IDF killed 300+ Palestinians to rescue 4 Israeli hostages. Interesting.

 

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