I am concerned that B.N. may be influenced by the reports that once this situation is over, he will lose his office. Taking that a step further, given his justifiable hatred of Hamas, is he bent on just "killing them out" and "F" the blowback? I'll take it a step further, does B.N. want to go down in a blaze of glory by hitting Iran and other states hostile to Israel, in a final attempt at sacking Muslim states unfriendly to Israel? If so what should the U.S. do? Collateral damage seems to be of little consequence to B.N., the I.D.F. and the conservative religous faction. B.N. seems to be ignoring any US input to end this thing. It's almost seems like B.N. is tempting the Biden Administration to withold weapons and alienating the relationship. I don't think U.S. should act as a "Blank Check" for B.N.'s retribution and genocidal annhiliation scheme. Much more blood will flow before this deal is over, and a second front seems to be opening in Lebanon. I am a huge supporter of Israel, not so much B.N. and the current religous extremists in power. Religon wars in the Middle East - NEVER ENDING!
Few are, Israel has been more efficient and ruthless in killing civilians than Hamas could ever dream of, and anyone with a brain can understand that at this point. If this is what restraint looks like, I'm not sure what you would call lobbing rockets at cities which hardly kill anyone. Harsh Diplomacy?
Let's keep this mind. The entire GAZA Strip is essentially a subterranean ammo dump. Hamas has built over 350 miles of tunnels and munitions are stored in those tunnels and they're also used as bomb shelters for Hamas fighters. Also remember that those tunnels under residential neighborhoods, schools, hospitals, buildings used by relief organizations and areas designated for sheltering displaced civilians. Finally, martyrdom is foundational belief in Hamas fundamentalist Islamic ideology and as far as Yahya Sinwar is concerned Palestinian civilians residing in Gaza make much better martyrs than his fighters. Essentially every Palestinian civilian is a human shield and one more point were it not for terrorist attack of October 7, 2023, every Palestinian civilian killed since hostilities began would still be alive and every building reduced to rubble would still be standing. All of that being said it's time for serious negotiations leading to a permanent ceasefire and the Israeli government should accept the reality it will never be able to completely eradicate Hamas and the continued killing of civilians even it is the result of collateral damage when legitimate military targets is damaging Israel more than it's helping. Said it before both Sinwar and Netanyahu probably want the war to continue. Neither is paying a price and neither is concerned about civilian deaths.
the intel has been wrong too often. it is hard to believe that the intel is not being intentionally manipulated if it is wrong that often
This is happening too often to not think there isn’t some element of revenge & blood lust influencing what Israel is doing. It’s gotta stop. They are going to start WWIII if they keep this shit up.
I am a bad man. I kill your wife. You decide to kill me. You walk into my house, I see you, and I grab my wife and two children and use them as shields. If you pull the trigger, am I at fault for their deaths? Yes. Are you? Also yes. You made a choice.
I posted this in another thread but it’s appropriate here as well Hamas will stop concealing their fighters and their weapons in schools and hospitals once they no longer benefit from Doing so. The facilities themselves are extremely ‘soft’ targets but they forgo the fortification for the benefit of the propaganda of “X number of Palestinians killed with bombing of church/school/hospital “. Unfortunately there are so many naive ones that unwittingly encourage this strategy, so it will likely continue Rafah operation: IDF finds tunnel shaft in child's bedroom | PHOTOS - I24NEWS
Completely agree. That was the point behind my initial post. But to draw some form of equivalency between Hamas and Israel is insanity. If Hamas had Israel’s weapons Israel as a country would be gone by now, along with everyone there. Hamas had one incursion into Israel and they raped and murdered everyone they saw. Almost every attack by Hamas for years has targeted civilians and not military. Israel could wipe Gaza off the map and hasn’t. There is no equivalency. And I despise BiBi and think their whole “show them how strong we are” garbage is dumb. They can’t win this war, they can only make it bad enough for Gaza that they don’t rise up again. But even that’s a fools errand.
You mean Israel doesn't want perpetual war and death? This isn't just for fun? You'd never know reading toohot.
I draw zero equivalency between Hamas and Israel. That’s why I hold Israel to a higher standard than a terrorist organization like Hamas.
It’s a bad analogy here, Israel didnt consider a school a casualty of war, they made a mistake. Hamas puts them in enough bad spots with how they use civilians that these are inevitable. And yes Israel could do better. So if your argument is that Israel should just accept what happened on Oct 7 because Hamas is willing to put civilians in danger and Israel shouldn’t risk even a single civilian casualty, then Hamas wins twice.
They've been making a lot of mistakes. My argument isn't that Israel should just accept what happened on October 7. It is that they should start engaging in their counter-terrorism in a more ethical manner. My personal view is that Israel doesn't care that much about collateral damage.
Of course not, I have said they can do better, it was the first post from me in this thread. Albeit semi sarcastically. And the whole idea of winning this war is dumb. But place most of the blame on the group that initiated this round of the conflict with horrific acts of violence on civilians, and that hides among civilians to precipitate events like this. It’s literally central to their strategy because they get the empathy shown here globally and tear Israel down with it.
I was responding to a different poster. But I don't agree on the blame. I place equal parts of the blame on the two parties, Hamas for starting this and not caring about civilians and Israel for being okay with collateral damage because they hate the Palestinians.
Cool. You gonna get Hamas to accept Israel and stop rockets and incursions? Is that part of the “end death” mandate? Again, I hate BiBi, he has more than his share of blame over the past 30 or so years. But they are fighting a group of people who would annihilate them if given the chance. So in that sense I agree completely, it’s not a soccer match, it’s existential for them as a country and as a people. Israel offered them a state on a platter and they turned it down. This could have been over decades ago, they refused. The day Hamas recognizes them and stops calling for the death of every Jew we can talk about pie in the sky dreams of no more war. Because even if Israel completely stopped its offensive today, Hamas would still be attacking them and the cycle will start again.
