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WaPo tilting further Right

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by tampagtr, Jun 3, 2024.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    CNN definitely puts a left slant on the issues and their lead commentators inject opinions of just sticking to the facts. nothing nearly like Fox that just makes crap up or constantly places things far out of context
     
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  2. wgbgator

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    If CNN is "left" then words really dont mean anything these days, or the Overton window has shifted so much basically means that middle of the road centrist media for wealthy suburbanites is basically the same thing as a Che Guevara news hour
     
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  3. phatGator

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    A couple decades ago I had a conversation with the editor of the Dayton Daily News, which was the original newspaper of the Cox media empire. I made a comment about bias in newspapers and he said that in the 1800s and into the 1900s newspapers were known for a political slant, and proudly held to it.

    I think British newspapers might still be that way. The editor said that because many US cities were down to one newspaper, that newdpapers felt more of an obligation to be objective in the news reporting and saved the slant for the editorials.

    I think, however, in the time since my conversation with the editor that newspapers and especially internet news sources have jettisoned much or even most of the objectivity in the news reporting.

    The Kansas City Star style guidelines when Ernest Hemingway was a reporter included one instruction I consider very telling: avoid the use of adjectives. The adjectives a writer uses in an article slants the meaning and reveals the inherent bias of the writer.
     
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  4. insuragator

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    The bottom line is Ad revenue. It always has been. You can be the most honest source in the world but if you can't sell ads you go under. Commercials and now 'clicks' drives media. Rosebud!
     
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  5. wgbgator

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    They dont really have city papers anymore either. The Manchester Guardian is just the Guardian now, for example. All their papers are national, and the right-wing ones dont even do Page 3 T&A anymore.
     
  6. PITBOSS

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    I get both WaPo and WSJ online. I’m ok with it as long as they are accurate and don’t go crazy- maga-conspiracy.

    WaPo does do a bit more investigative journalism which imo is valuable from our media. Although WSJ had a great article this w/e on seniors getting scammed from call centers in other countries. They had a deep-dive into one particular case that I found enlightening (actually meant to start a new thread on it).
     
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  7. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    Wait. Are you under some false impression that the MSM is not made of reporters who are overwhelmingly registered as democrats?

    You think that is some made up narrative? Last I heard, Gallop had it at like 7% being Republican.
     
  8. tampagtr

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  9. tampagtr

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    Voices that should be heard respectfully to show lack of bias



     
  10. gator_lawyer

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    I canceled my subscription when the WaPo fired some great journalists and columnists at the same time they were hiring some of the dumbest people on social media to write editorials.
     
  11. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    I keep saying I will pull that trigger but have not yet
     
  12. gatorjo

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    Tbh, I don't know about that. I'm also not sure that that has the relevance you may believe, if even true.

    I do know strongly believe that by subscriptions, clicks, ad sales, and probably any other metric that news outlets that are clearly right-wing probably have very close to 50% of the news volume. Look at Fox alone.

    If you have any data to dispute that I'd be interested to see.

    In any event to say that the media is "90% Democrat" is wholly inaccurate. For one thing alone, only (much of the) right-wing media overtly acknowledges that it is trying to portray the news in a particularly partisan manner.
     
  13. dangolegators

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    Thiessen is the dumbest. They have a new guy named Ponnuru who's really dumb too. McCardle isn't very bright either. And George Will has always been a dumbass.
     
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  14. tampagtr

    tampagtr VIP Member

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    Another opinion that deserves a respectful airing to avoid bias

     
  15. gator_lawyer

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    I can't speak to what he's written in the WaPo because I go out of my way to avoid reading what he says now, but Shadi Hamid is one of the people I was shading in my post. Says the absolute dumbest things on social media for clicks.
     
  16. tampagtr

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    Now see, if you wanted to be unbiased and and not show favoritism towards one side, you will report straight up that it does not appear that Alvin Bragg ever specified the secondary offenses that created the felony enhancement, since almost all Republican officials and media indoctrinators are repeating that talking point daily.

    If you don't care about looking biased, you would actually point to the exact filings that show that statement / critique, no matter how uniformly repeated, is factually false. But that would require a commitment to truth over balance

     
  17. tampagtr

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    Or you can consider the dilemma George Conway created on CNN yesterday when he was chastised by the moderator for calling the Republican on the other side a liar and asking why CNN put up with his outright lies.

    Mind you, the term spin came from partisan spokesman who go on TV to put out spin for one side. But they did not outright lie even if they did try to create a misleading picture. They might cherry pick beginning and ending dates for a trend, leave out possible unhelpful counterpoints, dodge the uncomfortable question, or just spin bad results into the best face possible. But they did not outright lie.

    But these days you have to lie if you're the spokesman from the Right. Trump demands it, even if it's about a fact easily disprovable like crowd size. You'll be excommunicated from the cult if you don't.

    Conway dared to call it out, but CNN wants to show "balance". So they may not invite him back, like they stopped inviting him on when Trump was in office, so as not to appear biased, even if it means always having outright lies go unchallenged.

    That's balance.

     
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  18. gatorjo

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    Vile. Who could vote for anything that associated with that?

    Trumppublicans like it though. Because they're really, really angry, because everything is and always has been so unfair. Especially when President Fauci made poor 'Lidl Donald look so bad.
     
  19. tilly

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    I am talking about the people delivering news, not those absorbing it.

    7% is a very low number. It will make people take pause. Do you not agree?

    FTR, CNN is my choice when events happen, but it still is a worthy topic of discussion.
     
  20. citygator

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    The right wing news model is very complex. Epoch Times just had executives arrested for money laundering yesterday from criminal organizations. For those not familiar, the Epoch Times is a fake newspaper financed and run by the Fulan Gong Cult. Not surprisingly, they are involved in other shady operations.


    Epoch Times CFO is arrested and accused of role in $67M multinational money laundering scheme
    The chief financial officer of The Epoch Times, a conservative multinational media company, has been indicted in a multi-year scheme to launder tens of millions of dollars in fraudulently obtained unemployment benefits and other funds.

    The chief financial officer of The Epoch Times, a conservative multinational media company, is accused of taking part in a multi-year scheme to launder tens of millions of dollars in fraudulently obtained unemployment benefits and other funds, according to an indictment unsealed Monday.

    Arrested on Sunday, Weidong “Bill” Guan, 61, of Secaucus, New Jersey, appeared Monday before a federal judge in New York on charges of conspiring to commit money laundering and bank fraud. He pleaded not guilty.

    Guan is accused of participating in a “sprawling transnational scheme” with others to launder at least $67 million to the New York-based media company’s bank accounts and related entities. Federal prosecutors said members of the company’s “Make Money Online” team, which was managed by Guan, used cryptocurrency to “knowingly purchase tens of millions of dollars in crime proceeds,” including funds from fraudulently obtained unemployment benefits that were loaded onto prepaid debit cards, according to federal prosecutors.
     
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