Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

Wrong my good man Duchen. Because in this new world order we live in, it's my way or the highway. I am "partisan" myself, I admit it. I will also admit it would be a COLD DAY IN HELL, before I would follow ANY DEMOCRAT or INDEPENDENT down the rabbit hole of lies and corruption, if they behaved in similar fashion, as so many Trump supporters have.

Clearly for them, there is no limit as it relates to unconstitutional or criminal behavior. The guy tried a violent revolution, police officers were killed, Maga nuts were killed, the halls of Gov't desecrated by buffalo horn wearing pieces of shit. He is a liar, a thief, a racist, he disrespects women, he disrespects the military, he disrespects struggling Americans and he has pulled off the biggest Con job on the religous community since the selling of heavenly rites of passage, provided the fee is high enough, by the Catholic Pope's.

 

I’ve heard this, and you might be right. Can you tell us what specific legal issue you think the appellate court will find grounds for reversible error?

 

Since you brought up prosecutors, if you recall, the one US prosecutor that passed up on it was Bill Barr, who did so — and this might come as a shock — because Trump ordered him to stop.

 

Can you tell us the proper forum for Bragg to bring the charges?

 

The People's Court with Judge Judy

 

The dems are a big part of Trumps rise. Oh and Trump is also a gigantic ignorant asshole.
…Something about both things can be true.

 

Trump is very fortunate to have people like you represent all that he stands for and all that he hopes this country will be.

 

I have some questions for the GC legal brain trust. I have not followed this case closely and I am not a lawyer, so I don’t understand a lot of the inner workings of these kinds of cases. By the way, I’m not arguing the outcome of the case. I believe the system worked.

From the Washington Post:

“The jury seems to have done that, finding Trump guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records. At the heart of the prosecution’s case against Trump were 34 documents: 11 invoices, 12 vouchers and 11 checks. Each of these documents accounted for one of the charges on which Trump was found guilty.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/30/evidence-trump-hush-money-trial/

1. The charges all seem to relate to falsifying business records. There was no charge of paying hush money. Is paying hush money a crime and, if so, why wasn’t he charged for that?
2. 11 of the charges are for receiving invoices from Cohen. Why is it illegal to receive an invoice even if the invoice itself is false? Shouldn’t that be a charge against Cohen for sending the invoice?
3. Cohen sent an invoice, Trump received the invoice and logged it as a journal entry in the accounting system, and then wrote a check to pay the invoice. That is charged as three separate crimes. Why isn’t that just one crime?
4. Nine of the 11 checks came from Trump’s personal account. How is that in itself a crime?
5. If Trump had just straight up had her sign an NDA and compensated her for that NDA out of his own pocket, with no falsifying records, would there have been a trial?

 

You might be right. But it sure is nice, at least for a day, to see a guy who has serially committed fraud (long before he even thought of running for president), routinely cheated creditors and vendors, engaging serial acts immoral transgressions, defrauded charities, is a definitional racist (based on the recent Apprentice tape release), sexually abused women and bragged about it (on tape), serially engaged in accounting fraud, finally held accountable for his actions — the same actions that caused his underlings to serve prison time in his name.

 

Gonna be hard to run a campaign while on probation.

 

I don’t think it will help him. And I agree with you that I don’t think it will hurt him. People have made up their mind on how they want to honk of him, and no judge, jury, audio tape, video tape, or first-hand eyewitness of his transgressions will change people’s minds at this point.

 

34 felony convictions will hurt him with any true undecided independent. Not a lot of people but a few thousand folks out there that were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he was convicted - and that just happened. I also think this might persuade a few country club republicans that still have spines to simply stay home on Election Day.

 

And yet …



Amazing how the fact that Bragg ran on a platform to stop corruption, and is actively meeting his promises and going after ALL corruption (not just Trump), gets lost …

 

Reality TV show clowns are supposed to be tried by other reality TV show clowns. READ THE CONSTITUTION!

 

lol — Can you imagine? A presidential candidate defending against criminal charges in the basis of insanity??? That might’ve been the only thing that would cause a decline in his MAGAteers.

 

O and B -

Regretably I have to somewhat agree. While I am a registered Democrat, only a FOOL would consider that the Democratic party is not hugely culpable
for the current hyper partisanship currently going on.

Democratic leaders are just as much in bed with the "power elite" as Republicans.

In the land of "freedom" and in a country of "free speech", what "agency" do the non rich or politicaly unconnected really have?
The average citizen may engage with their elected officials (supposedly) - Ever try to have DIRECT communication with your local
congressman or senator (if you don't know them personally)? It's damn near impossible!

Posting on our elected leaders web sites may get you a B.S. response like: Thank you for your inquiry, the assistant to the assistant of the
congress persons "page" will assuredly send you an automated response. Crap like that. Go to the "webinars" of these officials and see how
much time you get and by whom.

To summarize and I doub't you will agree, I just consider the choice between Democrats and Republicans as a choice between bad and worse.
For me, ideologically, the GOP falls in the "worst" category right now, because of Trump. (My personal opinion)

Gov't is failing people. The US has an estimated population of 330 million. Of those 330 million what % actually dictate policies, or have agency?
It sure as hell ain't me and I do consider myself at the very least "interested" and do follow current discourse and try to track "legislation" and even
"engage" with legislators. I have noticed one thing, irregardless of party affiliation, the bigger the donation the more interest will be shown.
Reminds me of college football recruitng right now. Everyone and Everything is "for sale".

Anyway, it's a distressing situation for the nation.

 

I’m not sure I agree. He has shown no remorse or contrition (even to the misdemeanor crime which was a slam dunk)He has attacked the judicial system. He has threatened witnesses. He has threatened the judge, his family and staff. He has shown no regard for court orders in the past, and made no secret that he intends to retaliate against those who prosecuted him (but only on his first day of office). He has multiple other criminal trials coming up, more serious than this one, and he has embarked upon the same tactics in each. Subordinates charged with effectively the same crimes HAVE SERVED TIME. Every aggravating factor is out there.

I wouldn’t dismiss the idea of jail time.

 

Here’s a list put together by someone on Twitter …

 

Ask them the grounds for reversal, though, and you get that blank look that tells you all you need to know.