It is an inane implied argument (didn't watch). Of course there is naturally occurring (non-anthropogenic) climate change and cycles. The earth has been far warmer and far cooler in the past. Antarctica was tropical. On a long enough timeline, earth will become uninhabitable for its current biome. But the anthropocene era, either coined or popularized by your friend Ms. Kolbert, is making it happen on a non-natural greatly accelerated basis. If you find a 25 yo lying in pool of blood with two bullet holes to the chest, you don't wonder if the death was from natural causes at old age. We will die anyway eventually. Murder is still prosecuted. Parenthetically, we are currently in a natural cooling cycle (at a natural pace). It would be even warmer otherwise. The point is inane.
In my opinion they (scientists) do not. The Greenland Ice Core project is a great example of this and is one of the best "climate" analysis tools of the past ever developed. The way I see it, Climate Change" has gone "partisan political" which means "STUPID" has taken over. The subject has been taken out of the pervue of Scientists and into the hands of the useless and stupid that run this country. My own analysis is that "Climate Change" is in fact, the planet operating at "steady state" because the Climate is ALWAYS in a state of flux and change. I absolutely agree with those that say "Natural Processes" causes climate change. And scientific analysis has proven this, unequivocably. That does not mean Industrialists, Capatalists and their "lackeys" in Gov't should not pay attention to the FACTS that humans are introducing pollutants at alarming rates. Rates so concerning that what took natural processes, in some cases, centuries or eons to create, man is speeding these processes up. The GOP however wishes to ignore the data and the science because it hurts established industries "bottom line", therefore climate change does not exist and mankind does not exascerbate it. Just a "liberal" plot to steal money.
I don’t think it is, but nor is that a claim anyone is making. http://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been
Nor do I, in earlier periods Earth has been quite hot. Having said that - climate deniers whom use this argument are beyond stupid. Creatures that lived in "hot house Earth" were NOT Homo Sapiens. Those creatures evolved to survive hot house conditions. Just like Humans evolved to survive in the weather of our own species evolutionary history. Precursor species to Homo Sapiens may have lived in intensly hot zones, but our immediate ancestors - of the last 100,000 years, adapted to both hot (Africa / the tropics) and cold climates (Europe and Asia).
I think these are valid arguments from a concern standpoint. I think Jax might have been coming at it from a more basic standpoint of knowledge. E.g. if the Earth was hotter in the past before humans existed, doesn’t this show humans aren’t causing the warming now? Here, I think he has a point that the Earth has shown itself being capable of warming without human activity. However, this does not prove the reverse that industrialization is incapable of producing the same warming effect. Resolving the issue instead will require some more sophisticated analysis.
I agree although my understanding is that when Human activities (burning of fossil fuels, animal husbandry, etc.) are factored in with natural processes, the data seems undeniable, that humans are in fact, acclerating global warming, thus, influencing climate change. One of the best testing methologies or case studies I know about concerns Mt. Kilauea, Scientists, since 1959, have been measuring CO2 content consistently, at that location, every day. CO2 level readings do not lie. The amount of increase of CO2 in the atmosphere since 59, is stunning. The rate of increase also suggests a faster increase in the last 150 years as compared to almost any ICE-CORE analysis of 'events" that were not VF5 or a large Volcanic event, related.
It is true that the climate science community overwhelmingly endorses anthropogenic climate change theory. And you are correct about the atmospheric CO2 measurements at Mauna Loa. In fact, scientists can even discern fossil CO2 from modern CO2 using chemical signatures, demonstrating that the elevated CO2 levels derive from human activities. The only question is how undeniable is the theory. I think the tricky part comes in when trying to make causal predictions of warming from the CO2 data. Ideally, we would have 100 Earths, add fossil CO2 to 50 of them, and then compare the results to the other half. Unfortunately we only have one extremely complex earth, and certainly no model has captured all of this complexity. Eg some scientists argue that future warming will lead to changes in cloud cover that mitigate the intensity of the warming. Others instead fear positive feedbacks that aren’t accounted in the models, making them underestimate future warming. I don’t think anyone has a reasonable argument to deny the anthropogenic rise of CO2, but some could cast rational doubt on the effects of this CO2. That said, many on here have unjustifiably gone a step further, suggesting anthropogenic warming is impossible. This view is problematic, not because it casts doubt, but because it casts certainty. Demonstrating the safety of an intervention often requires more study than demonstrating its harm.
The streak continues https://www.reuters.com/business/en...ture-streak-extends-through-april-2024-05-08/
Ice Age Termination events. They occur every 100,000 years where at the end of every Ice Age where the ice sheets melt and in a few decades completely melt. Sounds familiar doesn't it. What happens is there is a point where methane explodes and ramps up the warming period. That is happening now and these same scientists won't look at the evidence that we might be entering an early termination event. The reason why - control. If this the case, that we are entering an ice age termination event, all the talk of human-caused green house effects would be rendered moot. You can't prevent an ice age termination event. It's a natural event, has happened thousands of times in the past and occurs just before we enter the next ice age. If that's true, that we might be entering a new ice age, it would declaw all of the rhetoric going on. The good thing though is if this is a termination event, there will be more farmable land and most likely the best areas on the planet. This could last hundreds, thousands, 10s of thousands of years too.
We still aren't out of the last ice age. We will know when we are getting close to being out of the current ice age when Florida is back to its natural state, under water.
The new normal. It turns out the scientists were wrong after all. IIRC, these type of extreme weather impacts, with regularity, were not predicted for another 25 years VALLEY VIEW, Texas (AP) — Powerful storms killed at least 14 people and left a wide trail of destruction Sunday across Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas after obliterating homes and destroying a truck stop where dozens sought shelter in a restroom during the latest deadly weather to strike the central U.S. Seven deaths were reported in Cooke County, Texas, near the Oklahoma border, where a tornado Saturday night plowed through a rural area near a mobile home park, officials said. Storms also killed two people and destroyed houses in Oklahoma, where the injured included guests at an outdoor wedding. Tens of thousands of residents were without power across the region. The destruction continued a grim month of deadly severe weather in the nation's midsection. Tornadoes in Iowa this week left at least five people dead and dozens injured. The deadly twisters have spawned during a historically bad season for tornadoes, at a time when climate change contributes to the severity of storms around the world. April had the second-highest number of tornadoes on record in the country. At least 14 dead in Texas, Oklahoma and Arkansas after severe weather roars across region
I just saw a show on reintroducing wolves back in Yellowstone and how that is changing the local environment. If wolves can change a local environment why can’t 7.5 billion people.
What has been going on in Latin America is catastrophic, and largely unreported in the US. Intense heat and drought, and that will only increase the numbers trying to survive traveling north. Thread
Brutal heat wave in India too Delhi temperature hits 50.5C as India’s capital records hottest day | India | The Guardian
Well, FWIW, I was in Vancouver last August during a heat wave and it reminded me of being in the Swamp for a noon game in early September (I’m thinking the vols game in 2003).
It's hot .... hotter than last year when cycling 50-60 miles, and that's leaving at 6:30 AM. Of course, Ima year older too so .... maybe it just seems like it is hotter in 2024 than 2023. IDK .... but it is hot!!
