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Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by gatorwalrus, May 23, 2024.

  1. Skink

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    All the NCAA had to do to prevent all this is honestly enforce their damn rules in the first place. If Bama and Ga and OSU and the rest had gotten hammered like we did back in the 80s there wouldn’t have been the pay for play corruption we’re stuck with now. Without that, NIL could have and should have been appropriate compensation for players’ marketing revenues. But of course, the crooked NCAA selectively screwed some schools and turned a blind eye to the worst offenders. What a bunch of worthless bastards
     
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  2. fox

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    They hammered us to teach others a lesson. But the only thing it taught them was how to cheat better.

    Money won.
     
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  3. Wanne15

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    Exactly. It already happened
     
  4. Wanne15

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    Most of what you say is true about all the corruption and greed, but courts would have eventually had to let the American citizens get paid . Supreme Court rolling actually had nothing to do with football but the right to work. It’s kind of a blanket statement for American citizens not football players.
     
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    This is now a semi pro Football league and I don't see how that fits under a state funded College or university that's main purpose is education. It's seems like there should be a semi pro league, which is an actual business, and college football is separate (like in basketball or baseball). A kid has a choice as a high school senior to either go pro or sign a 3-4 college scholarship and get an education. It seems like a large multi billion dollar business is being subsidized by the state.
     
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  6. 96Gatorcise

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    Most P5 schools have UAA's that run the football program and are 501C. The are already run like a business and self support. UF's UAA at times donated millions back to the university.
    University of Florida Athletic Association - Wikipedia

    The University Athletic Association was incorporated in 1929 with impetus from university president John J. Tigert to oversee the construction of Florida Field. Since then, its mission has grown to include operating and improving all of the school's athletic programs and facilities. As of the 2017–18 academic year, the UAA had an annual operating budget of $128 million which is funded entirely through its own revenues with additional support from Gator Boosters, the fundraising arm of the athletic department. The UAA does not depend on the University of Florida's state funding for financial support, and has contributed over $80 million to the school's academic programs since 1990
     
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  7. foot

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    I just don't see how it is a "non profit" when people are making a lot of profit. I think there should at least be caps on how much someone can make including coaches to maintain the spirit of what a non-profit was intended for.
     
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  8. Wanne15

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    My dad played semi pro in Pensacola in 79. This shit is a lot more than semi pro. They got a hotel room, meals, and insurance. They were doing that shit just for pure fun. The best players all quit the next year when they found out they were playing without insurance.
     
  9. Wanne15

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    Oh, don’t forget the gas money.
     
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    Aren’t the big nonprofits generating tons of profits or do the CEO’s get enough to keep the ledger board at zero.
     
  11. MaceoP

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    It's too late now to put the genie back in the bottle. We have major facilities, men and women's teams, staff, coaches, support staff, players... all depending on revenue coming into UAA. Hopefully a system evolves that's puts a drop of sanity back into the equation.
     
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  12. foot

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    Some unethical companies use it as a tax loop hole, but if they screw around enough they can lose their non profit status.
     
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  13. Wanne15

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    Most get very little to where they say they do and it’s pretty much legal.
     
  14. CHFG8R

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    So its basically going to be worse than the NFL (or any official pro league).
     
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  15. Wanne15

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    Not going to be, it already is
     
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    But it isn't and you know it. If it's just about seeding playoffs properly for you, then fine. I guess this is all great in your cynical world. But if the bottom 2/3 of the teams fall away then it quite literally is NFL lite with our logos on their helmets. It's not even a reasonable facsimile of college football at that point.
     
  17. Wanne15

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    What has Bowling Green been doing for the last 50 years? Has anything really changed? Why would they quit now? Just because a few teams are buying for the playoff every year and they aren’t? Seems to me. It’s the same thing as it was as far as football.
    The top teams in the league that we are talking about are the ones with the problem, not everybody else
     
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    Again, you're talking about removing the entire fabric of the game, and it's history. If you're cool with that, fine. But don't sit here and tell me a 40-team Super League is "just the same" because you and I and everyone else here over the age of 20 knows differently. Again, it's just colors and logos at that point and nothing else.
     
  19. Wanne15

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    It’s happened over the last three decades or so and we are just waking up to the reality of what we’ve been watching. Having truly amateur teams on the schedule is just canon fodder to pad stats and fsu is a great example of just that. I’m foe all teams that aspire to be in the playoff having a schedule similar to ours. Why play meaningless games to look like a playoff team when I think fsu clearly was not. I hate the crap going on now but it’s not the players getting money that bothers me. I’ve known that was going on the whole time. There’s no structure nor fair pkaying field. I don’t like the nfl but their structure is clearly better than ours. Cheating has been put above board now and you can’t pretend this is an amateur sport any longer. When coaches are paid millions, that’s not amateur. Go shead and smell that coffee
     
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  20. gatorwalrus

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    Are you arguing those bottom 2/3rd teams are newly not going to be competitive or that they will exit college football all together? If it's the former, than that is objectively wrong. If the later, that is speculation so who knows.

    I believe the players should have been getting paid (above board, or at least more above it) for a long time. So, I don't have such a negative reaction to where I think things are going. However, I think the shit storm that has existed for the past couple years is unsustainable and much worse than NFL lite or whatever we want to coin it.

    Also, the thought that UF has not had some significant advantages over the vast majority of other CFB programs for a very long time now is naive at best. I don't think anyone on here would actually like parity. Sure, we won't be behind the cheaters anymore, but the other 100+ programs are now with us too.