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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ETGator1, May 18, 2024.

  1. ETGator1

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    Yes, but gator lawyer says this is not freedom. I think gator lawyer may as well be riding his hobby horse while he turns his kid's education over to the state to decide what should be taught along with the state, DOJ, targeting profoundly concerned parents for speaking out against these subjects being taught in the schools. Somehow this is freedom to him. (shaking head) It's tyranny to me.
     
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    Makes perfect sense. After all, those who remain ignorant tend to do pretty well in life's endeavors (i.e. teen pregnancy and STDs).
     
  3. ETGator1

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    Those subjects are best handled by parents at home. Can you tell us how many kindergarten age children have been subjected to pregnancy and STDs? I won't hold my breath waiting for your answer.

    For older kids, there is no substitute for lack of caring supporting parenting. The schools can't solve this problem. Problems start with lack of parental leadership in the home. There may be better outreach programs for these older kids than forcing all kids to learn from schools about sexual and identity subjects which a majority of parents do not approve of.
     
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  4. gatordavisl

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    BTW has anyone provided any substance regarding the actual curriculum material in question? One judge suggested that it wasn't clear what exactly the "LGBTQ curriculum" involved. I found this:
    Maryland parents can’t opt kids out of LGBTQ book curriculum, court rules

    At issue was a set of LGBTQ-inclusive storybooks that the board in 2022 approved for use in Montgomery County Public Schools’ curriculum.

    Those books included “Pride Puppy!” an alphabet book by Robin Stevenson about a dog who gets lost amid a Pride parade, and “Born Ready: The True Story of a Boy Named Penelope,” a story by Jodie Patterson about her transgender son’s experience.

    Some folks appear to think this is all about teaching sex to children, like an lgbtq sex education class for children. That doesn't seem to be the case.
     
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  5. gatordavisl

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    You didn't mention Kindergarten in your previous message. Your take seems to be that sex education be removed from all schools, which would include 9-12. I agree that parenting is the most important aspect of nurturing young people's good health. There are reasons, though, that sex ed is offered in high schools. For one, not all students have nurturing parents who will take the time or who are well enough prepared to teach their kids. For another, there is something to be said for people who are trained to teach subjects doing it.

    To your question, obviously K children are not subject to pregnancy (and hopefully not STDs), but again, that's not what we were talking about. My question to you: Do you believe adolescents should learn about teen pregnancy and STDs?
     
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  6. ETGator1

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    Based on your comments in posts 44 and 45, it's apparent that you did not read the article I linked in post 1. The link reposted here for you:

    Court: Parents in Maryland Cannot Opt Children Out of LGBTQ Curriculum (breitbart.com)

    The Montgomery County lawsuit involves opting out K-5. We are talking about children who are too impressionable and too young to understand what they are being taught. Montgomery County is overriding parental concerns and as an added bonus is trampling on the parents' religious rights. Maryland the next Virginia? To me, maybe not due to the voting dynamic involving Baltimore, but it is possible. Most parents love their children even if they don't do right by them.

    To answer your question of me, I don't think anyone K-12 should be forced to learn about sex and identity subjects through the schools. Make it optional and it becomes a freedom of choice. If I had been with the parents in Montgomery County, I'd have lobbied for the lawsuit to be for K-12 and would have produced the evidence for 6-12 instead of stopping at K-5.
     
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    I'm in agreement here, but don't see any evidence that students are being forced to learn about sex. Do you see real evidence of this? You also didn't answer my question, which was "Do you believe adolescents should learn about teen pregnancy and STDs?"
     
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  8. ETGator1

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    What do you not understand by me saying none of these topics should be forced?

    Since you misrepresented what is being discussed here, when are you going to read the article and respond to the content we have been talking about?

    Last, you sure ask a lot of questions for someone opting to be uninformed and then doing nothing to become informed.
     
  9. gatordavisl

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    Ok, I'll try one more time. If you have nothing but snideness and obfuscation, you will have to seek attention elsewhere. What evidence do you see that students are being "forced to learn sex"? (Your words)

    You claim I misrepresent, but I appear to be the only poster in the entire thread who brought forth a reference to actual curricular material. When I asked you about that, you deflected.

    As for being uninformed, I'm in the teacher education profession and spend 100s of hours in schools each year. I'm in many schools K-12 in multiple states. I question the real nature of what people claim to be LGBTQ curriculum. Where's the evidence?
     
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  10. ETGator1

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    As someone in the teacher education profession, I give you an F for not reading the article. Until you do, it makes no sense to try to carry on a conversation with you.
     
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    it should also be known to cross reference questionable, biased sources.


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  12. VAg8r1

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    As far as Maryland is concerned, the most recent polls (prior to Maryland's Democratic primary).
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    Hogan was ahead in some earlier polls. My guess is that while he was a popular governor he has relatively little chance of election to the Senate now given that the state is strongly Democratic and Hogan's election could very well give the Republicans a majority in the Senate. The last time the Senate had a Republican Majority leader he blocked the Supreme Court nomination of a Democratic president and virtually guaranteed confirmation of the three nominees by a Republican president not mention allowing the same Republican president to pack the lower federal courts with judges like Matthew (I banned the abortion pill) Kacsmaryk and Aileen (Donald Trump is my master) Cannon.

    As far as Virginia is concerned, the in last November's state legislative election the voters roundly rejected the Republican strategy of focusing on crime while electing Democratic candidates who focused on women's reproductive rights and will almost certainly do the same in the presidential election.
     
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  13. ThePlayer

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    Remember that millionaire tax Maryland implemented?
    The hundreds of millionaires who left sure do.
     
  14. VAg8r1

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    Said it in my longer post. The overriding issue in Maryland's Senate election will be control of the Senate and in a hard Blue state a Republican candidate has no chance in an election in which one seat will make the difference. Ironically, Hogan would have a much better chance if the Democrats had a lock on the majority.
     
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    While I cannot speak definitely for Montgomery Maryland when my son was a public school student in Fairfax County, Virginia (he graduated from high school in 2006) we had the right to opt out of sex education (called family life education). In fact very early in every school year beginning with the first grade all parents are notified of their right to opt out of the school's family life program. I assume it's the same in Montgomery County. What I consider tyranny is a system under which a minority of parents can decide what books are available for all children. Speaking hypothetically if conservative religious parents do not want their children to have access to certain books that's fine with me. They shouldn't be deciding what my child should be reading just like I shouldn't be deciding what their children should read.
     
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  16. ETGator1

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    unfortunately, montgomery county went from reasonable to tyrany since 2006, see post 1.
     
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    Actually, you should have read the Court's decision rather than Breitbart's description. While not completely inaccurate Breitbart didn't come close to completely describing the entire situation. What the Circuit Court of Appeals did was to uphold a lower court decision denying a preliminary injunction in a lawsuit filed by a group of conservative parents. The Court didn't issue a definitive opinion one way or the other on the substantive issue regarding whether the parents should have the right to opt our although the District Court will presumably issue such a decision at some time in the future. The relevant text of the Circuit Court's actual decision:

    AGEE, Circuit Judge:
    Parents whose children attend Montgomery County Public Schools in Maryland
    contend that the Montgomery County Board of Education’s (“the Board’s”) refusal to provide notice and an opportunity to opt out from their children’s exposure to certain books and related discussions violates federal and state law. At the outset of the litigation, the Parents moved for a preliminary injunction to require the Board to provide such notice and an opt-out option. After the district court denied their motion, the Parents filed this interlocutory appeal.
    We take no view on whether the Parents will be able to present evidence sufficient to support any of their various theories once they have the opportunity to develop a record as to the circumstances surrounding the Board’s decision and how the challenged texts are actually being used in schools. At this early stage, however, given the Parents’ broad claims, the very high burden required to obtain a preliminary injunction, and the scant record before us, we are constrained to affirm the district court’s order denying a preliminary injunction.
     
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  18. VAg8r1

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    Besides the fact that your numbers are nowhere close to reality the phrases "getting smart" and "going red" are mutually exclusive. Although I do not reside in either state, I would much prefer to live in deep blue Maryland than deep red West Virginia.
     
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