The one thing they all agree on is if you haven't lived in Israel, you shouldn't comment on the situation. Some family are fully hard Bibi supporters, and believe this time, the war is winnable. There are a few that see things my way. Israel has been fighting this war for generations upon generations. This time, the outcome will be no different. And the only thing Israel is accomplishing is setting up the next generation to fight the exact same war, with the exact same people. And maybe this is the best Israel can do? Again, it's not like the Arabs/Palestinians haven't missed many opportunities for peace over the years. And if they want war with Israel, Israel will be happy to comply. But again, it's insanity. It's been the same war for generations without a real winner.
I stand by what I said. It is bigoted. You using the phrase "in essence" is quite noticeable. If this man is a "jihadist" and "antisemite" as you claim, you surely have proof to support this proposition. And no, mere association with a pro-Palestinian student organization is not proof of either thing. Feel free to bring forth your evidence, and I'll give it a look. Additionally, stop conflating "Jews" with "Israel." Thanks.
I would. But then who would respond to the ignoramuses out there who think this time there will be a different outcome, despite history dictating it will be more of the same?
Well, most in your family who live in Israel are ignoramuses as only a few agree with you: "Some family are fully hard Bibi supporters, and believe this time, the war is winnable. There are a few that see things my way." Honor your majority family wishes who think you shouldn't comment. At least they haven't called you an ignoramus, yet.
We can agree to disagree. And they too have no answer as to why today's war will end in a different outcome as compared to all other Israeli/Arab conflicts in the past. Israel will and has won the military conflict. But the terrorists organization will survive, grow, and the cycle will continue again and again and again. This usually ends the conversation, because there is no proof this time will be different. Only faith.
No. Kill them refers to the 40,000 remaining Hamas plus civilians who choose to embed with Hamas rather than have peace with Israel. I don't think that means all, but there are a lot more deaths to come. At the end of 2022, there were 14 million Palestinians. You might also like my post #57. It references why Israel must win the war.
Keep going until there are no more civilians for Hamas to hide behind? How is that different from killing them all? I'm not reading these words the way it seems you are, please help me figure out what I'm missing. Post # 57 also makes it sound like you want Israel to kill all the palestinians.
No, it doesn't. It's ridiculous to consider the possibility that Israel will have to kill 14 million people to kill 40,000 Hamas fighters. Whatever the civilian loss of life becomes, it's Hamas that started the war. Israel will do what it takes to win the war. War is hell. There are 9.3 million Israeli citizens. From the river to the sea means Hamas would kill all 9.3 million if they could. Israel must win the war.
One possible difference I see here compared to other wars. We killed or incarcerated German political and military leaders. We had the famous deck of cards for the Iraqi leaders. We eliminated Al Qaeda and ISIS leaders. It's true that civilian deaths happen in all wars, but in this case, it appears that the civilians in Gaza are the ones suffering while those leading and funding Hamas are apparently hanging out in places like Qatar and Iran. I know that international law and the risk of regional and even global escalation have to be considered, but at what point do the people at the top who are most responsible for October 7th need to be the ones facing the consequences?
14 million people in Gaza, or 2 million? All the sources I'm seeing say closer to 2 million. Why is it ridiculous to say that Israel will have to kill all the civilians in Gaza to get to all the Hamas fighters, when the Hamas fighters are hiding behind civilians? Are the Hamas fighters going to stop hiding behind civilians at a certain number of civilian deaths?
You can get offended and defensive over me asking you not to be disrespectful towards Jews at the same time you're pretending to fight against antisemitism. That is one response. Not a good one. But it's a response.
What makes anyone think Israel can identify and kill 40,000 terrorist embedded in the 2 million residents of Gaza? And how many civilians will also end up dead in the process? Furthermore, how can Israel win the peace after the war? The Palestinians are sympathetic to Hamas, and Hamas is already recruiting the next wave of terrorists among the Palestinian youth. How can Israel ensure that their current actions today is only setting up another round of terror attacks and war in the future? The answer is, they can't. Only way to do this is genocide. Make sure there is never another next generation of terrorists. But do that, and the entire Arab world plus turns against Israel. Wash, rinse, repeat. The cycle will never be broken if both sides never change. And there will be no winning until they both do change.
As previously stated, civilians have been warned to leave Rafah. Where? I don't give a damn, just leave Rafah. The citizens who embed with Hamas become enemy combatants. This is not genocide, it is war. In one 36-hour period, Dresden Germany was firebombed resulting in 35,000 civilian casualties although the correct number may never be known due to the destruction of the city. Some historians speculate the number could have been more than 100,000. Turkey, Egypt, Libya, Iran, some of the stan provinces of Russia, and Sudan could move against Israel with devastating consequences for those countries. Suffice to say, these countries will be defeated if they choose to test the power of Israel. Israel will not be defeated in this war. The US should be helping rather than hindering Israel to bring the war phase in Rafah to a close.
