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Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

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  1. BigCypressGator1981

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    hey that drunk at the end of the bar knows EXACTLY what’s it’s like to get punched in the throat. You can’t put a price tag on experience like that.
     
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  2. wgbgator

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    Got clocked for saying Larry Bird was better than Jordan after 10 Miller Lights, make him secretary of defense - he understands things we cant comprehend
     
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  3. ATLGATORFAN

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    clearly you aren’t as deductive as I was giving you credit. You be you man. Keep those lines of communication open with Hamas and negotiate with them. All
    The families of the IDF soldiers that will lose their lives unnecessarily by being tasked with clearing those buildings one by one will thank you. They will thank for bringing equity to the fight. Making it fair.
     
  4. wgbgator

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    Are you over there in the IDF advising them? Since I have an ear to Hamas apparently, and you are an IDF advisor it seems, we can have a beer and hash this thing out in a couple hours.
     
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  6. homer

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    Wish the world would see Russia in the same light.
     
  7. okeechobee

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    For the most part they do, but at the same time, the number of civilian deaths in Gaza over a much shorter period of time dwarf the worst numbers out of Ukraine. Israel is clearly not worried about killing Palestinian civilians. Evacuations are useless and the IDF knows this. The people have no where to go.
     
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  8. uftaipan

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    That is not consistent with the facts on the ground. The IDF has clearly designated humanitarian zones where noncombatants can go if they are allowed to move by Hamas (many, of course, are not allowed to move, and I refuse to fault the IDF for that). I do agree that that the noncombatants should have more options than moving from one dangerous part of Gaza to another slightly less dangerous, but that is up to Egypt. In fact, Egypt could probably bring this whole thing to a close today if it chose to resume responsibility for its people.
     
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  9. VAg8r1

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    Egypt actually made it clear that it would not accept Palestinian refugees from Gaza. Giving the Egyptian government the benefit of the doubt they may have had a legitimate concern regarding the potential burden of supporting over a million refugees over the long term and possibly permanently keeping in mind that some of Israeli far right politicians most notably Itamar Ben Gavir Netanyahu's National Security Minister have ambitions of an Israeli resettlement of Gaza.
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...s-to-open-its-borders-to-palestinian-refugees
     
  10. uftaipan

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    Yes, I know. That's my point.
     
  11. okeechobee

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    Let me make sure I got ya straight. Invading power tells hundreds of thousands of residents to GTFO of their homes or else. Residents stand their ground. Massive bombing with high civilian death count ensues. Nothing to see here? Is that right?
     
  12. uftaipan

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    Not what I said at all. I said precisely what I did say. I accurately pointed out that you presented a distorted narrative that noncombatants (not otherwise detained by Hamas) have nowhere to go, because the IDF has given them nowhere to go. They have humanitarian areas provided to them by the IDF if they are willing and able to go there.

    If your point is that surely sucks for an innocent noncombatant living in Gaza, then I agree with all of my heart. Makes me rue the actions of the Hamas government all that more. In terms of safeguarding the welfare of one’s people like a good government should, I would say Hamas’ actions on October 7th were unbelievably cruel and stupid. Reminds me a little of being an innocent Berliner (because surely there were some) in April 1945 when the Soviets were closing in. The people suffer the worst when their governments make catastrophic decisions.

    But if there’s anything else Israel can do within reason to protect the people of Gaza from what Hamas has wrought on them, then I’m listening. I’ve already pointed out what Egypt could do but repeatedly refuses.
     
  13. OklahomaGator

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    Just think if Hamas had spent all the money that they spent on digging and building those tunnels or some nice hotel/resorts on their coast which I have read is very pretty. Those people would have jobs and money flowing into the region.
     
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  14. uftaipan

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    It reminds me of some of the reading I’ve done on the late Crusades. There were circumstances where some of the Crusader kings could have gotten everything they wanted bloodlessly through negotiations and trade: security for pilgrims, access to markets, etc. Everyone would have gotten rich and lived more happily. Nevertheless, the same kings would choose a war, lose, and end up with nothing but the satisfaction that they fought.
     
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  15. okeechobee

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    Sounds like a corrupt regime. We should bomb their people into oblivion due to their corrupt leaders’ malfeasance.
     
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    That's a course of action, I suppose. Another is that Hamas can turn over its hostages and leadership. The war ends and reconstruction begins at once with maximum happiness for all but those who orchestrated the October 7th attacks. If I was going to protest, then that's what I would protest for.
     
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  17. OklahomaGator

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    Maybe they should just take out their leadership.
     
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  19. okeechobee

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    Honestly, one of my biggest concerns during this has been the lack of a surgical campaign. The IDF are just killing anyone who’s in the path. Such a sloppy strategy does not seem to bode well when you are attempting to apprehend or eliminate a small group of men who are not in uniform, wear masking to protect their ID, hide in tunnels and ambulances. Seems like blowing up everything in sight may not be the best strategy.
     
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    My nominee for craziest human being on the planet …

     
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