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You are wasting your time. That poster will never admit they were wrong. I usually just laugh at a few of those and move on.

 

Since you didn't want to do the math, I'll go ahead and do it for you.

We'll be optimistic and say that only half the casualties have been civilians. Estimates for Palestinian deaths range from 30-35k. We'll be optimistic again and take the lower estimate. So that puts us at around 15k civilian deaths.

The original math was Israel has about 10,000,000 in total population so 1200 Israelis killed would be comparable to 40,000 American civilians. That would be using a US population of 333 million. So to make the same comparison for Palestinian civilians, we divide the 15k deaths by their 5 million population, then multiply by the US population and find that the 15,000 Palestinian civilians killed would be comparable to 999,000 American civilians. That is the low estimate. The upper estimate would be more like 24,500 Palestinian civilians (taking your 70% and the upper end of the range of estimated deaths among Palestinians), comparable to 1.6 million American civilian deaths.

 

Why are you doing this stupid analogy? IF the US attacked, raped and kidnapped hundreds of innocent people in an unprovoked attack then maybe you could use that analogy. Otherwise it's dumb. It's like complaining that we retaliated against the Japanese after they bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

Comparing Israel to Russia now.

 

What is interesting is no one complaining about Israel on this thread seems to give 2 shits that we still have 5 US hostages held by Hamas. Sure glad we are doing everything in the US's power to get those hostages back...

It's quite amazing that those hostages aren't even an afterthought for most.

 

I do! Release the hostages!!!

 

Still waiting for you to provide : (a) the Middle Eastern state that provides more freedoms to both its citizens and non-citizens than Israel provides, and (b) your solution to how Israel completes the prosecution of its War against Hamas, understanding that its two uncompromising objectives are : (a) the release of all hostages, and (b) the unconditional surrender by Hamas.

 

Didn't claim there was one. There likely isn't. Middle Eastern countries often have fairly extensive issues related to how they grant citizenship, leading to downright slavery in certain instances. That doesn't mean that Israel provides equal rights to its Arabic population. They don't.

They aren't going to get B. A is possible with a deal. But the leadership of Hamas is in Qatar. Tell me how anything that they have done thus far or that they can do militarily, even in theory, leads to B, given that we both state that Hamas has no regard for the civilian population or their own current forces. Killing more civilians won't make B more likely.

 

And that’s why we find ourselves with the tragedy unfolding before our eyes. I don’t see Israel agreeing to stop prosecuting a War with a central goal of dismantling a terrorist organization governing Gaza, without achieving that goal.

 

Agree, and still no one gives 2 shits we have 5 Americans still as hostages. Has the Biden admin done anything substantial to try to get those hostages released?

 

I won’t say Biden has done nothing. Biden has stood by Israel for much of the crisis. But Biden has determined that Israel’s goal, as announced at the beginning of the War — to secure the return of all hostages AND the full, unconditional surrender of Hamas and its purported government, no longer meet with Biden’s goals. I understand Biden’s rationale, but I disagree with his policy, only because I cannot see any other path to secure Israel’s goals. To be sure, given Hamas’s position, I have not read a single proposal to end this War, other than prosecuting it to its full, ugly and tragic conclusion, that makes sense from Israel’s security and point of view.

 

Agree Biden has stood by Israel for much of this war. My issue is why hasn't Biden done anything on the US's part to get our hostages back? Did he make threats to Hamas about what would happen if any Americans were killed by Hamas? If not why? If my family was held hostage by Hamas I would be trying to get on every news show in the US trying to get the Biden Admin to do something. Hell, threaten to take out Hamas leadership in Qatar if that's what it takes. All I know is 5 US Hostages are still being held. Hopefully they are still alive.

 

I had the same question. My assumption all along was that Biden agreed to let Israel lead. And now that there’s a diplomatic disconnect, I’m very curious what Biden is going to do for the Americans.

 

You would think all these anti-Israel people would at least want the US Hostages returned but I think I may one of the only ones in this whole thread bringing it to the forefront.

 

There is a good chance that most of the hostages were killed by Israel's indiscriminate bombing of Gaza. Hopefully they are still alive.

 

100% agree with this. Israel needs to force Hamas to surrender. Every time Israel has pulled up at the last minute, Hamas has interpreted it as strategic victory, and this was precisely what Hamas had in mind when it launched the October 7th attacks. Israel has made more than enough humanitarian provisions for the civilian people of Gaza who are willing and able to leave. If Hamas is holding their own people as hostage, then that is on Hamas, not Israel.

 

I'll take wild conjecture for $1,000 please Alex. IF that was true Hamas would've already stated that whether it was true or not. Hamas doesn't miss a chance to make Israel look bad.

 

This is absolute treachery. This will not stop the IDF. All it means is more Israeli soldiers will be killed going building by building. Tunnel by tunnel. But we know that’s what you want….. More Israeli death to make things equitable. Nice ally

 

Predicated on the false assumption that Israel's bombing of targets in Gaza has been "indiscriminate." You might argue that it has been disproportionate, given that Hamas cannot strike back in a similar way, but every single target Israel has chosen has been for military necessity and has been weighed against the potential collateral damage. You might not like or agree with Israel's rationale, but then again you probably weren't affected by the October 7th attacks. I would point out once again that Hamas had the ceasefire it desired on October 6th, and all of these targets we are discussing were intact.