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Aileen Cannon thread

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Feb 23, 2024.

  1. gatorchamps960608

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    Trump gave up on that defense long ago because it holds no water. You need to keep up with his lies a little better.
     
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    Talking about it does not suddenly disqualify or nullify a Constitutional right... besides that why did the DOJ change their charges against president Trump? Even they know he had every right to LEGALLY take those documents.

    The DOJ and the FBI went on a hunting expedition... and found out they are NOT in New York or D.C..
     
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  3. gatorchamps960608

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    He did not have the right. The Espionage Act says that knowingly keeping classified documents is a crime and members of his administration have said over and over again that there was no even informal White House policy that these documents became unclassified in Trump's possession.
     
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  4. Gatorrick22

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    That invention of espionage is for the low intelligence haters and propagandists to believe. The judge is looking for charges against the DOJ and the FBI right now, otherwise this case would be dismissed, or simply ruled outright in favor of Trump.
     
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  5. gatorchamps960608

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    Judges don't initiate prosecutions. If Trump's unqualified Judge Cannon had a halfway decent argument to dismiss this case, she would have already. The Federalist Society has provided her with a gambit to end this case with faulty jury instructions if it ever starts which she is trying to prevent by pushing this case to 2025.

    You should really stop with your word salads you misinterpret from Gateway Pundit.
     
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  6. Gatorrick22

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    Spoken like a lawyer from D.C. or New York. The facts are they FBI invaded the home of President Trump, illegally, and stole documents illegally... and tampered with the documents that are now called evidence. The FBI first charged former President Trump with illegal obtaining classified documents, but then changed the charges after the rifled though the "evidence" tampered with the evidence by cataloguing his papers... and then decided to charge him with some other phony trumped-up charge. The DOJ and the FBI is used to stacking the deck against average corrupt people in the past and always seem to have an advantage in these types of court cases. Only this is against someone that was once President of The United States... that committed NO CRIME. And the DOJ and the FBI are not in a favorable setting with friendly corrupt judges.
     
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    ....and yet, by some mysterious hoodoo voodoo trickerationology, Doh! Biden's and Shillary's docs magically shed their classified status...

    Magic bat shits on the classified status if there's a D...

    "No reasonable prosecutor" only prosecutes "R"s.

    That's the litmus test.
     
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    The sources you are trusting are lying to you.
     
  9. gatorchamps960608

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    1. It was a legal search with a valid search warrant.
    2. There is no evidence any documents have been tampered with.
    3. Quite often in criminal investigations additional documents or other evidence lead to more or different charges.
    4. The Espionage Act is consistent with what Trump is charged with.
    5. This former POTUS is one of the most corrupt people in this country's history. A background check on him wouldn't allow him to take a job behind a counter in a shopping mall.
    6. The federal government rarely charges anyone with crimes without a slam dunk case.
    7. People who return documents immediately never get charged. Stubbornly keeping them makes it a chargeable crime.
    8. You're right that Cannon is a corrupt friendly judge of Trump's.
     
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  10. 92gator

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    He was actively working with them. That's how they knew where all the docs were, and why they gave him tips in what they required for storage.

    I'm still waiting for that smoking gun testimony about the urgency, for calling in the black ops storm troopers...

    Meanwhile, China Doh! Biden has a @#$@&n building named after him at U Penn--where he stored docs...and where chicom spies had ready access...

    TBL--THE litmus test is:

    "D" = kosher....

    "R" = traitor.

    Our justice system has, in fact, been weaponized.

    #chicompuppetparty
     
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  11. gatorchamps960608

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    Trump said on Hannity he expected to be paid like Nixon to return the documents. He was never going to do so voluntarily. The urgency was that Trump likely had our nuclear and security secrets on the dark web version of eBay somewhere.

    When it comes to defending Trump, it always requires pulling the viewfinder back to 10,000, 15,000 or 30,000 feet because the granular facts are always so damning.

    As for the silly D vs. R argument, Pence was cleared of what Biden also did in about 5 seconds. A GOP Special Counsel dragged out the Biden investigation 1 year and cleared him while taking a false shot at his memory.

    So let's hear the next 30,000 feet emotional and nonfactual defense of Trump...
     
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    Like that old mtv show the real world. You know, put together a bunch of folks who don’t live there.
     
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    No, they knew where to look due to witnesses that were cooperating with the grand jury investigation. He had lied about and, in fact, moved with the intent to conceal, the documents. This is all presented in the court documents.
     
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    He wasn't "actively working with them" he was actively stone-walling them. The documents are possession of the United States government, not the personal documents of the President. They are produced to allow the President to do his job, and the purpose of the classification system is to protect sensitive information based on the interests of the government. At a common sense level this really isn't hard.

    There's no comparison to Biden because there's no evidence or indication that Biden was asked to return documents and declined to do so. It's apples and oranges to the situation with Trump. Let's also not gloss over that Biden was investigated by a Republican Special Counsel. Is Trump being investigated by a Democrat Special Counsel? Nope, also Republican.

    He was given every opportunity to return the documents and do the right thing. He could have continued to fight a legal battle to have them returned to him if he truly believed they were his to possess, but rather than do so he kept them in an unsecured manner at his personal club, which has already been shown to be frequented by foreign nationals and spies.
     
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    When it comes to reconciling the difference in treatment of R vs D, it always comes down to bogus spin meistering, and apparently drinking copious amounts of spiked kool-aid to blur the vision (while accusing others of pulling back the viewfinder).

    Biden wasn't subject to a false allegation about his memory--he was spared criminality on the unbelievably baseless belief that no criminality could be established bc he's such a sweet demented old man.

    ...kinda--nah...exactly like--"no reasonable prosecutor would..." [prosecute a Democrat in good standing].

    I suppose Pence bought himself reprieve via his abject impotence, along with the good faith purchased by (rightfully, I'll concede) not doing Trump's bidding on Jan 6.
     
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    Biden had those docs for going nigh on a decade... he'd already long been compted for them, the damage long done.

    ....but hey, he's such a kindly sweet charming and severely demented old man....

    So no criminality...too cute n cudly to be found guilty of any crimes...so

    FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

    Lol! Too stupid to stand trial, but not quite too dumb to be POTUS...

    Sure...no contradiction there...

    :confused:o_O

    ...and yall dutifully echo the idiocy, with a straight face--like yall did with the magic bat shitting on a wet market one...LOL!

    (That one cracks my ass up every @$%&%^@n time I'm reminded of it)...
     
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    Pence bought himself a modicum of good faith by NOT doing the bidding of the Criminal Traitor President? By not engaging in an autogolpe? Umm. Yeah. Actually it is that simple.

    The fact you actually “get” and concede that is what makes the rest of your posts so…uh… fascinating.
     
  18. 92gator

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    Reasonable minds may disagree. Apparently, some folks were in Trump's ear telling him the Pence play was a colorable legally arguable play to make there. I never saw that angle (and obviously wasn't privy to those whisperings). In my opinion, there was simply no legit colorable play to make along those lines, and I never championed it as such (of course I also could have been wrong....).

    But as such, yeah, I'll openly own that I agree with Pence's decision to do what he was supposed to do, baring a damn compelling reason not to (and though "the kraken" never quite manifested as such, investigations clearly showed that our intel apparatus--ie "the deep state"--actively interfered with the election process, by manipulating the content of Twitter, Facebook, and other social media platforms. So we smelt a rat, and found it: baked INTO the cake--casting an enduring shadow on the 2020 results).

    Either way, Trump's misjudgment on that count does not make it appropriate or acceptable to weaponize the justice system by applying it unilaterally.
     
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    Yes, Biden was unfairly summarized by the SC as having memory problems. "He doesn't even remember when his son Beau died." The transcript proved this and every other assertion of memory issues were lies. They were largely based on his answers of, "I can't recall" to some questions which every person being questioned by.a prosecutor ever has answered multiple times regardless of age.
     
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    More staged FAKE material by the FBI... yeah, it's a set-up attempt.