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So you are ok with any prosecution team to throw out multiple potential crimes and not know which one applies as long as they have a potential criminal on trial. That’s very American!!! How absurd that a defendant does not even know the crime for which they are charged!!!!!! Come on man.

 

You really need to stop as you have absolutely no idea what you are posting about. The function of the charging document is to put the defendant on notice of his charge(s). There is no requirement in NY that the indictment specify the felony(ies), just that the "intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof." To be clear, in NY, there is no requirement under Section 175.10 that the underlying offenses be identified, that is the purpose of discovery and/or a demand for a bill of particulars.

Similar result in Florida. Florida Statute 810.02 is Florida's burglary statute. The relevant definitional portion reads "Entering a dwelling, a structure, or a conveyance with the intent to commit an offense therein,..."

Most people think a burglary is when you enter with the intent to steal. That is the most common scenario, but is certainly not the only one. Enter with intent to assault or batter someone or with intent to commit criminal mischief and you have committed a burglary. Similarly, many people think if you enter with the intent to commit a crime, but are not successful, you have not committed a burglary. That's not the law, either. It is your intent when you enter that controls, not whether you were successful or not.

Just like Trump's intent when he falsified records, intent is the key, success is irrelevant.

Tying Florida's burglary statute to the NY Trump indictment, are the well settled Florida court holdings that the State Attorney does not have to allege what the intended offense was to support an un-enhanced burglary, it merely has to allege the defendant entered the (dwelling, structure or conveyance) with the intent to commit an offense therein.

In a court setting, you would get zero mileage out of your argument and, if you continued to argue your baseless point with the vigor you did here, you might be looking at a contempt hearing. You have certainly annoyed enough people here with your Fox "News" Trump College of Law silliness.

 

Are you saying this whole trial is dependent on a prior Cohen plea. OMG to the third degree!!!!

 

I get that you don't like it but that's the New York law. Here's an explainer of why he's facing felony charges. The good news for Trump is that he gets to put on a defense and if the jury agrees that there was no attempted underlying crime them he won't be convicted of a felony.

One thing is clear though if you've been paying attention, this doesn't pass the sniff test of transactions by an innocent man. Will the jury agree? I have no idea.

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg had suggested that Trump concealed three potential crimes, although he has not charged him with any of those.

Prosecutors do not need to prove such crimes were committed — only that there was “the intent to commit or conceal” an additional crime.

Why does Trump face felony charges? Prosecutors say he was hiding other crimes

 

Falsification of Business Records in the First Degree is a felony. That does require the concealment of a different crime. The crimes that he was concealing were the unlawful corporate contribution and the excessive campaign contribution charges to which Cohen pleaded guilty (and for which Trump was listed as a co-conspirator).

 

Florida has nothing to do with this so delete all of that as it is nonsense. It looks like you ignorantly have determined intent of something when none of that has yet to have been proven. So is this a campaign law violation as has so far been the only assertion of merit? Or what is your assertion?

 

Yes. You wanted to know what crimes Trump was covering up. It was those crimes, to which, eventually, Cohen pleaded guilty. Now run along. You wanted to know the crimes he concealed. I provided it.

 

Wxactly

Exactly!!! Trump has not been charged with any of the three!!! Thank you once again for not being able to identify the additional crime. Again sounds just like throwing crap against the wall and seeing what stinks. Exactly how this trial is progressing. Is this really how you think the justice system should work???

 

Yes I do. It's working exactly like it should and he's receiving the same benefit the doubt as any other defendant.

Do you think Presidents should have absolute immunity?

 

The statute doesn't require a conviction or even a charge by the person being charged with Falsification of Business Records in the First Degree. It simply requires proving that he intended to conceal the nature of the crime. In fact, people have been convicted of this crime when being acquitted of the other crime or not being charged with the other crime.

 

Hilarious and TDS at its finest from the biggest TDSer on site. You guys are all over the board which proves my point. Does anyone else truly believe Cohens prior plea is the defining factor here? He is a convicted liar.

 

I have told you the exact crimes. Yes, Cohen's plea is the defining factor. The plea is an admission of a criminal act as agreed to by both the judge and the prosecutors in that federal case (i.e., both found the facts to be accurate) and serves as a criminal conviction of his co-conspirator (and Trump is listed as his co-conspirator). The falsified documents matched the facts as described in the federal plea agreement signed with Cohen. That is why Trump was charged. I am sorry that causes you to be upset. But those are just facts. Deal with it.

 

I have a life to live but thank you all for playing.

 

Yeah, the 88 remaining felonies Trump is charged with......after the cases were presented to grand juries composed of CITIZENS......are "throwing crap against the wall."










All 88 felony charges.

 

Speaking of Barron’s graduation

 

Trump doesn't have to be charged with any of the three crimes that lift the falsification of records to a felony. Don't like his the law works in New York? Move there and change it. But laws like this are on b the books for a reason. Mainly to help convict organized crime bosses of felonies.

As for Cohen, I'm sure Trump's lawyers are going to paint him as a liar and criminal. But that's why the prosecution has called many witnesses before him. They all corroborate Cohen's story.

 

Will reserve judgment to see what happens since he could plausibly attend both if the graduation is during the day.

 

Admits he's just playing - no need for further response to an unserious play-poster