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Is the Judicial Branch now a Political Branch

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ajoseph, May 1, 2024.

  1. staticgator

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    This has been the reason for being of the Federalist Society for over 40 years.
     
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  2. l_boy

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    He’s not wrong. It has been for decades, if not longer. However now it seems to be more pervasive and trickles down to every level of the judiciary. It seems like every week or so I hear some court has rules some law unconstitutional or otherwise inapplicable, either from the left or the right.
     
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  3. sierragator

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    So someone is completely full of shit. Color me shocked.
     
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  4. ETGator1

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    Weird how you never see the democrats did these same things in 2016 and in other presidential elections to boot. It's only a threat to democracy, it's a republic, when the republicans do it. We must teach those asshole republicans that politics, like justice, is two sided. It is a requirement that we democrats charge a president with crimes for the first and only time in the history of the US.

    Thanks for cementing the will of the majority of the American people to vote for Trump.

    You live in Florida? Get used to losing.

    Best hope the SCOTUS sides with history as Biden and his mafia family is otherwise going down in Trump's second term. What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander which is a no to one-sided politics and justice.
     
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  5. ajoseph

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    I understand your point, but I think you miss mine. I don’t care if it’s the Democrats that stack the court with judges based on political ideology, or whether it is the Republicans. By doing so, in such an overt manner as we have seen, the public loses trust in an essential balance of power. Without that confidence that our government will work as intended by the founding fathers, we face imminent disaster.
     
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  6. ETGator1

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    Where does it or any past SCOTUS decisions say Biden's justice department can press criminal charges against Trump after he has left office for official actions taken as president? It has never been done and it sets a precedence that will diminish the executive branch of government. Get Trump at all costs and win 2024 comes with unsatisfactory long-term consequences both sides should not desire.

    Now that the SCOTUS has heard the case, I'm thinking cooler heads will prevail and this lawfare used by Biden will be significantly curtailed. At minimum, the SCOTUS may first send the case back down to lower courts for them to litigate, but the SCOTUS didn't like that the last court decision said presidents can be prosecuted because the president is being prosecuted without regard for presidential immunity. It may well be that Trump is president when the SCOTUS produces a ruling to govern presidential immunity moving forward. My preference is for them to make the tough decision in June and get the lawfare over with, likely a 5-4 vote if so with CJ John Roberts deciding the vote as he was much skeptical in the DOJ lawyers who testified last month. Since the likely leaker has left the court, hopefully the decision won't be leaked before the SCOTUS wants to release its decision.
     
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  7. ETGator1

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    I agree 100%. The problem is the genie is out of the bottle and has been for years. The question is how do we put the genie back in the bottle so we can have one justice system for all?

    Look at what the democrats did when Roe V. Wade was overturned. They immediately went on the attack of SCOTUS. There are laws for the protection of SCOTUS justices that Biden/Garland refused to enforce. We came close to having Gorsuch assassinated and his family murdered. Democrats in congress went on the offensive wanting to expand the court to 13 just so they can get the rulings they want.

    Yes, Trump stacked the SCOTUS, but it was the senate democrats under Harry Reid that changed historical senate rules for voting on judges that gave Trump/McConnell the ability to do so. It came back to bite the democrats on the butt, but they continue to make these historical moves that long-term are not in the best interest of the country.

    Bottom line, we cannot long exist as a country with a two-tiered justice system as we have now. Again, the problem is how to fix it.
     
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  8. philnotfil

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    In which case is Trump being charged for official actions taken as president? The case where he committed accounting fraud to hide hush money to a pornstar? The RICO charges in Georgia for setting up a fake slate of electors? The fraud case in New York covering years of fraud by his company? The federal charges related to retaining classified documents? The other federal charges about setting up fake electors in multiple states? Which of those do you see as charges related to his official actions taken as president?
     
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  9. ajoseph

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    Here’s my suggestions, not that anyone will ever listen:

    1. Term limits for Justices (15 years)
    2. Judges selected based on objective, politically neutral criteria, by a bipartisan committee (with no political majority).

    Select the justices based on judicial merit, by a politically neutral committee, and we will get a Panel that is far more likely to respect the rule of law without engaging in legal gymnastics to reach ideological conclusions.

    And I’d be open to better suggestions, the point being that what we have has stopped working. It needs a fix, let’s get it fixed.
     
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  10. gatorjo

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    LOL.

    What?! You saw the Democrats commit a conspiracy to overturn a presidential election in 2016?

    Yeah, I remember the fake elector slates, the coercion of state officials, the attack on the Capitol. Hilarious.

    Your fact-free alternate reality grows more absurd with each post.


    As far as the rest; good rant. You really should reconsider your rabid support for an un-American traitor though.
     
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  11. ETGator1

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    None of the charges have merit and all should have already been thrown out. It's where we are ultimately going to be when the SCOTUS has to decide.

    New York is a joke, no felonies or misdemeanors, just made-up charges. When Bragg was asked for the underlying charge, he said the law didn't require him to disclose the charge. The internet is your friend, look it up on YouTube. He is just hoping to get a jury of liberals to convict no matter what comes out in the trial. Send chills up your spine? If not, it should.

    The Fani Willis case in Georgia is a joke. There is an ongoing ethics investigation in the Georgia legislature that will eventually halt this farce. Kemp says its political and he can't stand Trump.

    Jack Smith is grossly out of bounds. Biden the VP skates for worse, Hillary the S of S does worse and skates, and Trump the President gets hit with charges that no jury should convict on.

    How are these cases justice? They are nothing more than election interference witch hunts. The majority of the American people agree as expressed in polling.
     
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  12. ajoseph

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    How many of the indictments, and civil complaints, have you read? Trump might end up winning every single one, but every case is grounded in supporting facts. They have merit — maybe the evidence won’t get a guilty verdict, but they have merit. And, to be sure, he’s already lost a few of the civil cases, and so they certainly had merit.
     
  13. gatorjo

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    Would you think that perhaps Trump supporters should storm the Capitol Building to protest all of this Biden-orchestrated lawfare?

    It's all so....#UNFAIR! :)
     
  14. ETGator1

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    Yes, but the house democrats didn't get a senator to help, the only difference.

    There were riots all over Washington in protest, including outside the White House.

    Speakers in Washinton rallies openly called for Trump to be assassinated.

    It doesn't take much effort to find it all on YouTube.

    Did you watch the short YouTube video I gave you this morning in which Trump called on marchers to be peaceful and patriotic? If not, do you just not like the truth when it conflicts with what you want to believe and say?
     
  15. ETGator1

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    None have merit. No president in history has been treated this way and no president in history should ever again be treated this way. I guess you were only giving lip service to wanting a better justice system. These cases make it worse and nation dividing for no good reason other than election interference by the party in power. Banana Republic? Yes, 100%.
     
  16. gatorjo

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    LOL. Why don't you ever mention Trump's coercing state election officials, or the establishment of fake elector slates? :) Among the numerous other election transgressions.

    I'm checking out of this thread here. You're worthy only of mockery.
     
  17. ETGator1

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    Many say they were invited inside before the riot started, lots of questions about who instigated the riot.
     
  18. ajoseph

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    I’d argue that no other president in our history had such little regard for the law. I’ve said it above, but his crimes and moral disregard in office were no different than his crimes and moral disregard before taking office.
     
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  19. ETGator1

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    That's not your misinformed decision to make miss doesn't know it all.
     
  20. ETGator1

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    BS.