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Is the Judicial Branch now a Political Branch

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ajoseph, May 1, 2024.

  1. ETGator1

    ETGator1 GC Hall of Fame

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    have yo granted yourself scotus powers? the scotus will side with the constitutional presidency. it is as easy as reading the constitution. try it.
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    You are avoiding the question. Can you provide me the Constitutional passage in which it states that a President can't be prosecuted for their actions?
     
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  3. ETGator1

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    yes, but no. i advised you to read the constitution yet you refuse to do so. knowing what the constitution say is not important to you?
     
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  4. mdgator05

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    I have read the Constitution. In its entirety. More than once. Now, please provide the passage.
     
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  5. citygator

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    I think for the first time in the history of Too Hot someone posted an OP as a question where the answer could possibly be "yes". Usually its a straight up "no".
     
  6. gatorjo

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    That wasn't my post.

    As usual you can't keep up.

    Weak.










    (Do a witless meme now. :) )
     
  7. Orange_and_Bluke

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  8. ETGator1

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    [article 2, includes immunity..........QUOTE="mdgator05, post: 16447933, member: 17555"]I have read the Constitution. In its entirety. More than once. Now, please provide the passage.[/QUOTE]
     
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  9. ETGator1

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    typical of democrats to want to dismantle what they do not like in shortsighted fashion, see selection of judges, historical use of impeachment and tableing same, attacks on scotus, and diminishing the presidency.
     
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  10. mdgator05

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    Well, posting failure aside, it appears to be that you are claiming that Article 2 includes immunity. Which section and clause?
     
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  11. VAg8r1

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    Arguably within the scope of the President's powers as commander-in-chief. I really don't think that attempting to incite an insurrection or facilitate a coup d'état can be rationalized under any of the President powers as enumerated in the Constitution and acts of a presidential candidate prior to his election or the acts of a defeated presidential candidate after his term has expired definitely wouldn't be subject to any protection under the Constitution (any case it's not obvious the former applies to Trump's alleged violation of campaign finance laws while he was still a candidate and the latter applies to his mishandling of classified documents compounded by misrepresenting their disposition to the court).
     
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  12. sierragator

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    Would like to see the text quoted....won't hold my breath.
     
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  13. gatorjo

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    Did you miss that part about not establishing fake elector slates? Or about a candidate not coercing state election officials to find them votes?

    Or are you aware that those things are crimes, but you just don't care?*

    Or do you exist in some alternate reality where you get to tell yourself that things that happened didn't actually happen. So that you can ignore the cognitive dissonance of the fact that you support a traitor.**




    * WINNER !!
    - he knows those are crimes, but he doesn't really care about crime, if it was conducted by his hero.

    ** ALSO A WINNER !!
    - he knows he supports an un-American traitor. It's just more pleasant to avoid that fact.
     
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  14. ETGator1

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    not my job to spoon feed as he and those lefties won't accept what i spoon feed. read the article for yourself.
     
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  15. ETGator1

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    lol, no basis in fact.
     
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  16. sierragator

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    Puh leeze. total cop out. You brought that up as a rationale for why your orange god should have immunity. Put up or shut up.
     
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  17. ETGator1

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    don't have to, the scotus will do the job. in the meantime, you can easily read article 2. your choice.
     
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  18. gatorjo

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    Can you read the part about a peaceful transfer of power? Or the laws governing establishment of fake elector slates? Or coercing state officials?

    Weird how you pretend to care about the Constitution, but shill for an un-American criminal.
     
  19. philnotfil

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    For those following along at home, Article 2 does not include any language that would indicate the president can't be charged for criminal behavior. It isn't very long, anyone can read it.

    Article II
    Section 1
    The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows

    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

    The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

    The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

    The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

    Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:– I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    Section 2
    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

    The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

    Section 3
    He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

    Section 4
    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
     
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  20. mdgator05

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    Translation: you know you can't provide that information and want to deflect from that fact.
     
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