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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ldgator, Apr 26, 2024.

  1. ajoseph

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    It starts with the billions of anti-Israel propaganda funded by Qatar …

    Pro-Palestine protests are generously funded by donors promoting radical Islam studies - analysis

    The House has started its investigation into the funding:

    House Republicans launch investigation into federal funding for universities amid campus protests
     
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  2. G8trGr8t

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    and the answer was given, they didn't like it, so they proceeded to be disruptive and destructive.
     
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  3. wgbgator

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    Lol at the first article because it makes zero connection to the protests or names any groups and the second is just about cutting off federal funding to schools, but maybe you are arguing that the terroristic US government is funding the protests? I'm sure Qatar gives money to US schools and such, so does Israel lol.
     
  4. archigator_96

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    If that happens then great for the protesters. The issue is that many of the funds that the universities are tied to have such layers upon layers of investments, it's almost impossible to remove certain things without getting rid of all of them. Can't be a little pregnant.

    Having said that, one thing that IS possible is for schools to stop all university research that is in cooperation with Israeli universities or funded by Israeli businesses.
     
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  5. tampagtr

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    Orin Kerr has a bout 20 tweets in the last week citing sources and commenting on student protests nationwide. A lot of thoughtful stuff there. For those unaware, Professor Kerr is always among the top five law professors nationwide in being cited in judicial opinions, and I believe he is number one overall but could not confirm that


    https://twitter.com/OrinKerr
     
  6. gator_lawyer

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    Your students protested for a cause. You heard them out and gave them the opportunity to make their case. And then people get to vote on it. Sounds pretty damn great to me. I guess the alternative of being a tough guy, watching your campus go to shit, and calling the cops to brutalize students and faculty is alluring to some.
     
  8. gator_lawyer

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    What "same people"? The student leaders certainly aren't the same.
    In a world where words are violence, espousing unpopular views is terrorism. ;)
     
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  9. ajoseph

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    I read this and your other posts, and I wonder how much forward thinking you to your thoughts. Here you cheer the potential defunding of Israeli companies. But while you cheer, did you consider that Israel is the 6th most technologically advanced and productive company in the World, with one of the world’s smallest populations? Have you considered the contributions to medical science which Israel has provided? How about telecommunications? Semi-conductors? AI? Computer science (hardware and software)? Internet and app technology and advancement? How about world-class advancements in Agriculture, where people come from all over the world to study Israeli innovation and techniques?

    Here’s a quick article in Israeli R&D that’s funded from international funds:

    Israel -Technology Hub of the Future

    Here’s a very out-dated list of Israeli inventions used all over the world (from health to agriculture culture to video games, from 2012:

    The top 64 innovations developed in Israel - ISRAEL21c

    See also List of Israeli inventions and discoveries - Wikipedia

    Remember, when you scream for divestment, that you might be cutting off the funding that might be applied to developing the cure for what makes you sick.

    And while you’re at it, let me know all the good Hamas has done.
     
  10. ajoseph

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    My eyes saw my campus preserved. I saw campuses whose leaders sat like stone see their campuses enflamed. How many hammers smashed through UF’s windows? How many buildings were occupied? How many American flags were defecated in favor of a Palestinian flag?

    As of May 1, Sasse’s response has completely mitigated the parade of horrors we have witnessed across the country. I appreciate you disagreeing with his methods. But here, it’s not mere students - it is outside influencers who are inflaming and controlling every facet of what takes place. Imagine at UT, where roughly half the protesters arrested never were enrolled at the school.
     
  11. G8trGr8t

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    so does everyone with a grievance that can gin up a disruptive protest get a vote?
     
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  12. wgbgator

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    So do you think these things are why we should support the mass murder of the Palestinian population? Because they made Waze? Ok.
     
  13. gator_lawyer

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    UF had nine people arrested at a protest that was never anywhere near as intense as the ones at other universities, even before UF leadership issued their "rules." Imagine if UF offered the students the opportunity to attend a BOT meeting, make their case for divestment, and have a vote on it. Let's be real, there is zero chance UF's BOT would authorize it. But might that have avoided anybody being arrested? And what's the harm done?
     
  14. gator_lawyer

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    If you can get a bunch of students to protest, why not? Isn't the point of these boards to vote on matters like these? What is the harm? That your students will care enough to engage on issues, protest, and try to participate in democratic causes?
     
  15. gator_lawyer

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    The perspective on the other side is "imagine if somebody made these arguments to support apartheid in South Africa or letting genocide happen in Rwanda." I'm not saying they're right to draw those comparisons, but I do doubt that this point is persuasive to the folks on the other side of the issue.
     
  16. G8trGr8t

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    I'm fairly certain than when the board was formed, they did not anticipate having to vote on whatever issue can gin up a protest. Maybe I'm wrong and they have plenty of tiem to entertain every issue that the students bring up
     
  17. gatordavisl

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    This is just as bad as the Cal State University system's policy not to fund research activities in states with discriminatory laws. That policy was apparently ended last fall.
    Law AB 1887 Prohibits State Funding of Travel to Certain States.
     
  18. wgbgator

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  19. gator_lawyer

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    Yeah, now you're being intellectually dishonest. If I make a sign and walk out to the sidewalk, that's a protest. We're not talking having to address every issue even a single person protests. We're talking about issues that students care enough about that a significant number of them turn out to protest. That doesn't happen all that often, and these boards are more than capable of dealing with it when it does.
     
  20. wgbgator

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    Does the university system serve the students or whatever the adminstration thinks is appropraite? I mean we all know universities have authoritarian tendencies like many American institutions, but we can you know, do some democracy.
     
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