This will not end well - Yale U.

Wait a minute. Have any 1/6 detainees even been accused of attempting or planning to murder anyone?

 

Columbia isn't bound by the Constitution, so they can do what they want. But most universities at least like to pretend that they protect free speech.

 

They weren't hiding their intentions.
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What were those people involved charged with?

 

I think your key word there is “pretend”. I think that in civil conversation or truly peaceful protesting that all speech should be protected. In fact I would go as far as to say that all speech should be. But I don’t think all actions can or should be considered speech. Amplifying speech, actively blocking access to common areas, and disrupting other student’s rights to a peaceful learning environment or to their residence are no longer speech, they are actions. Certainly breaking into buildings, intimidating occupants, and hanging new name banners are not speech. And that doesn’t even get into what ever damage and destruction these nutcases are inflicting on these buildings interiors

 

Who decides what is "truly peaceful?" Who decides what is civil? UF decided using voice amplification or putting a sign on the ground wasnt truly peaceful or civil, which is ridiculous. There is no consensus on what those things mean until someone gets punched in the face.

 

Free speech on campus is a myth anyway. I can’t walk up to my professor I happen to see in the Reitz Union, call him something offensive and derogatory, however legal. and expect to still be a student the next day. Let alone doing it in a class. Psycholigical safety, basic decency and disruption are always offsets in a learning environment.

 

Also I'm not sure anyone's idea of free speech is "no social consequences for disrupting a class or calling a guy a racial slur."

 

While they are obvious differences the similarity between the two is that both involve flagrant vandalism rationalized by the need to remedy a perceived injustice and both have been characterized using similar euphemisms characterizing the actors as peaceful protestors. I would agree that the attempted insurrection of January 6 was far more serious.

 

Paraphrasing what one of my roommates said over 50 years ago and comparing what was happening when I was a student and what's happening to today, blocking traffic at the intersection of 13th Street and University Avenue was effective at ending the war in Vietnam as taking over a building on the campus of Columbia University will have on ending the war in Gaza.

 

That's a fair statement. None of those people were or are in the government after all, they have no power individually or collectively to end a war, thus the reason for protest to begin with. Its a desperate act done by people without power. But when those people have no ability to stop an ongoing horror and their country would rather treat them like criminals than listen or act to stop it, do you think their tactics will deescalate? I mean blocking traffic on 13th street sounds pretty tame compared to say, the WU bombing stuff.

 

This was before I started school in Gainesville, but I was told by multiple sources that during one Vietnam War protest the campus was shut down to vehicular traffic. For a couple of days the only vehicles you saw on campus were for Domino's, Shelley's Subs and Alan's Cubana deliveries.

Edit: And law enforcement, of course.

 

Of course I “admit” it, it’s been my point from the beginning. People keep making this a free speech argument when it’s really not, for a variety of reasons.
And I’m not talking about “social” consequences, I’m talking about a governmental consequences for your actions as we have seen all over in the last few days.

 

What are the government consequences of me calling my professor an asshole to his face? They dont haul you out in handcuffs, like they do with people protesting.

 

Damn, I forgot about Alan’s. Good call.

 

If it’s a public university any action, from suspension to expulsion or being put on trespass, is a governmemt action.

 

I had a roommate a little over 40 years ago who would say in an argument; “If I’m wrong I’ll kiss your bare ass at University and 13th St and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd”.

 

So is getting an A on my test also a government action? What about what is taught? A government approved lecture?

I'm not sure a disciplinary action is a government action, but committing a crime certainly will involve the government acting, but that's true anywhere.