Proud of my university!

First, I’d hope that Sasse puts the same type of cork in the behavior of people violently “protesting” gay rights, and all the other things that are protested on campus. Students shouldn’t have to walk through campus with fear or intimidation. I think that should be a bright line rule.

Second, IMO, all the theory in the world that you can argue and preach goes out the window when discussing the literal safety of your children. Sasse is charged with ensuring the safety of our children on campus. I’m glad he takes his position seriously.

 

Feel the same about game threads but it’s hard to stay out. lol.

 

No need to apologize. Ppl's tastes vary. I watched it again at your prompting, LOL'd again. I found it hilarious, and quite frankly SNL worthy. That said, I played it for my wife--who watches vids by the thousand--and she couldn't make it more than a few seconds, after 3 attempts. Didn't get it at all.

Cest la vie.

 

NB: Law and order =/= fascism;

NB 2: the right of minorities (Jews in this case) to attend classes free from harrassment outweighs the propriety of terrorist sympathizers (Hamas cheerleaders) to intimidate them, by celebrating Hamas' successful terrorist attack on Oct 7.

I obviously don't know your dad or grampa, but I'd be willing to go out on a long thin limb here, and guess that they probably wouldn't lose much sleep over bullies getting shut down on a university campus.

...and again I reiterate--it's not a FOS issue, bc they can take their circus on the road, anywhere in the whole wide world as far as we're concerned--just not on UF's campus.

(...fact is, they're just banking on ppl's naivete, and hiding behind the precedent of other oppressed groups, when they're the ones seeking to oppress).

 

Maybe things have changed, but my recollection was that the religious and anti-gay people that set up in Turlington typically got mercilessly mocked and made fun of. Maybe today there are people arguing that those kids are being "illiberal" in not politely listening to bigots rant in public. I'm pretty sure they were allowed amplification in some cases, and they didnt create special rules so that sensitive ears might not be offended by people calling women fornicators and whores or whatever. No one ever got violent, but it seems like we've shifted the meaning of what violence is to mean things that arent actually violent or physical harm.

 

Conservative porn - intense sexual arousal footage

 

Seeing police show up and immediately identifying them as fascist (or suggesting that they are a part of a fascist agenda) is no better than seeing people on campus with opposing viewpoints and immediately identifying them as bigots. You can't make this stuff up.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

You have a good chance of being correct in either of those assessments, so why not play the percentages?

 

Also the way they are outfitted - good book from 2013 that captures what happens when they come in like that



Amazon summary

The last days of colonialism taught America's revolutionaries that soldiers in the streets bring conflict and tyranny. As a result, our country has generally worked to keep the military out of law enforcement. But according to investigative reporter Radley Balko, over the last several decades, America's cops have increasingly come to resemble ground troops. The consequences have been dire: the home is no longer a place of sanctuary, the Fourth Amendment has been gutted, and police today have been conditioned to see the citizens they serve as an other-an enemy.
Today's armored-up policemen are a far cry from the constables of early America. The unrest of the 1960s brought about the invention of the SWAT unit-which in turn led to the debut of military tactics in the ranks of police officers. Nixon's War on Drugs, Reagan's War on Poverty, Clinton's COPS program, the post-9/11 security state under Bush, Obama: by degrees, each of these innovations empowered police forces, always at the expense of civil liberties. And under Trump, these powers were expanded in terrifying new ways, as evidenced by the tanks and overwhelming force that met the Black Lives Matter protesters in 2020.

In Rise of the Warrior Cop, Balko shows how politicians' ill-considered policies and relentless declarations of war against vague enemies like crime, drugs, and terror have blurred the distinction between cop and soldier. His fascinating, frightening narrative shows how over a generation, a creeping battlefield mentality has isolated and alienated American police officers and put them on a collision course with the values of a free society.

 

My son lives across the street from Fine Arts B (next to Norman Hall and he said he hasn't really seen any protesting. Spends a lot of his time at Newins-Ziegler which is kind of south of the main part of campus.

 

Just checked - 87 degrees in Austin today. So they ain't dressing that way to stay warm

 

Maybe some people overuse the word fascism, but cops showing up in riot gear because some students are camped out on a lawn seems like something that would happen in a fascist country. Especially when people were sharing videos of white nationalists marching in the streets in West Virginia without a cop to be seen. As always, the response of the powerful to the protest tells you a lot about the protest and its threat to the state.

 

Absolutely! It was just porn for those dying to see the snotty kids get beat up. Abbott knows his audience.

 

What unruly behavior? The kids were out protesting the day before he issued the rules. What unruly behavior did they engage in?

P.S. Yes, it is an "unlawful cap on free speech" to blanketly say that speech can't be disruptive. C'mon. You can prohibit them from disrupting classes. You can prohibit them from disrupting quiet study areas. You can prohibit them from disrupting faculty and student research in buildings. You cannot prohibit them from disrupting everybody on campus anywhere. That is why it is imperative to draw clear boundaries when you are issuing rules that restrict speech.

You are arguing against your own straw man. But no, your daughter does not have the right to walk to class without "disruption." Let's be clear on that. If you believe that, any protest is off limits. And that is as clear a violation of free speech as it gets.

And no, they aren't "fully informed of what they can and cannot do." That's the entire point. It is why I've criticized UF for issuing vague and overbroad rules.

Already did that. Read the thread. I even pointed you to where it was.

Read the rules sheet. It says "No disruption." It does not qualify that statement. It does not explain what "disruption" is.

Spare us the violence crap. The kids were out there protesting before UF issued these flawed rules, and they weren't engaging in violence. And no, the "theory" of free speech doesn't go out the window just because you're (unreasonably) concerned over the safety of your kid. Once you start making that compromise, all our freedoms are on the chopping block.

 

These are “protests” allegedly funded and organized by outside money that have resulted in violence and mass disruption — so much so that many of the schools sent their Jewish kids home. Having seen it repeated at other campuses, our school took decisive action to protect the students. The concerns are not unreasonable, arbitrary or hypothetical — the concerns are based on reality as it has played out in other high-achieving schools across the country, all allegedly organized and funded from the same sources.

Our school acted responsibly. Thank goodness. And as a result, there’s been no student injured. Thank Sasse.

 

A disproportionate number of the protestors are Jewish themselves, I dont see schools going out of their way to protect them from violence or their feelings from being hurt.

 

Tell that to the kids and parents who received the emails telling them to go home for their safety.

 

In other words, screw free speech. Your fears about what MIGHT happen are more important than people's rights. Disappointing.

P.S. Which schools specifically sent "their Jewish kids" home?