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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by cocodrilo, Apr 11, 2024.

  1. danmanne65

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    So he rejects radiocarbon dating or in other words science.
     
  2. Contra

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    The entire video is Wood and Parr laying out the case for why Kathleen Kenyon was wrong. Weigh their arguments on their own merits rather than mindlessly submitting to the consensus. The consensus is not always right.

    Galileo went against the consensus in his day. It didn't mean he was wrong.
     
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    Here is an article from a scientific journal rejecting "science."

    Inaccuracies in radiocarbon dating
     
  4. danmanne65

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    Are you intentionally being obtuse they see a range of twenty years in the period. Not the 200 needed for you to be right. Additionally Peter Parr agreed with his boss on the dating. His quotes in the video looked truncated and in fact were.

    You need to realize that your faith is not based on science or reason. So as I said pages ago Schweitzer was right. It takes a leap of pure faith to believe in your god. God created me incapable of making that leap. I am seriously done with this topic. 2nd time I said it but now I have wasted hours doing research into the nonsense you think is truth.
     
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  5. gatorpa

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    Where did I diagnose this person?

    I noted that often mentally unstable people with conditions such as schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder have delusions based strongly in religion.
    That’s a fact.

    Having seen many of these people in the ER over the years you would understand what I mean.
     
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  6. gatorpa

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    There is a difference between a religious zealot killing the infidels or murders of fetus doing so “in the name of God” and a person who is psychotic doing something like that. As a medical person I think you understand that.
     
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    There is a difference between a person in psychosis doing something like this and a mentally stable zealot doing it.

    Nowhere did I diagnose or defend her.
     
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  8. danmanne65

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    Not sure I agree that that there are mentally stable zealots.
     
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    I'll give you another thing to chew on. The Messiah was called the Son of David. Jesus was not a direct son within the next generation of David, but he was a male descendant of David. I think a young earth creationist timeline depends upon all the genealogical accounts in the Bible, referring to direct descendants within the next generation when it is said that one person is the son of another person. If we maintain that Jesus is the Son of David, then "son" can denote a descendant that is more than one generation from the parent in question.

    I think a person can accept a longer genealogical record in the Old Testament without seriously compromising in the area of Biblical hermeneutics. They don't have to give up any of the core doctrines of the faith to hold such a view. So, the 150 year gap you are holding out as solid proof that the Joshua account is fiction does not necessarily follow. I mean I think there are assumptions in carbon dating that could be false assumptions, but I would also readily admit that if the genealogies in the Old Testament were off by 150 years because I misunderstood what the Old Testament meant by "son" this would not change my faith.

    If you take out the carbon dating objection, due to the reasoning I stated above, there is still a lot of evidence you have to contend with that the events in Joshua literally happened 150 years earlier than young earth creationists say it did. There is a lot of evidence from that video that still corroborates the Jericho story even if young earth creationists got the dating wrong.

    So, if carbon dating is the only thing your objections to the Jericho story rest on, then you've got work to do. That by no means refutes all of the other evidence laid out in the video that corroborates many aspects of the biblical account.

    And FWIW, carbon dating also is itself based on a type of inductive logic and inductive argumentation, which is rife with assumptions about the past that we have no way of corroborating. You may not have faith in God, but faith in those assumptions about past states of the world appear to come quite easily for you.
     
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  10. cocodrilo

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    This too will come as a shock to non-believers, but the pillar of salt that was Lot's wife is shown to tourists today near the Dead Sea in Jordan.
     
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    God talk- intersting.

    For me God is simple, it’s religion that messed up- people are messed up.

    Of course there’s a God, just not sure what God is. When it comes down to it, it’s not a big question for me. I’m much more perplexed about time (eternity), space (infinite) and our spirit (the soul).
     
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  12. danmanne65

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    I am not continuing this. You just keep spouting nonsense. I suspect you might be trolling me.
     
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  13. danmanne65

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    Lol yep that is incontrovertible. I believe now. And devils tower in the west was definitely created by satan
     
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    IMG_4203.jpeg
     
  15. cocodrilo

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    You mean there really is a Devil's Tower in the West? I thought that Steven Spielberg made that up.
     
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  16. Contra

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    Not trolling, but you can bow out if you’d like.
     
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    I’ve never heard of this one, but there are no doubt a lot of claims that are superstitious IMO. Eat the fish and pick out the bones. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
     
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  18. cocodrilo

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    That's what his mother did with the baby Moses. You don't believe that story?
     
  19. tilly

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    Well my wife doesnt have to worry about losing me then. :D
     
  20. tilly

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    A lot of history goes unwritten by the losing side, and make no mistake, that was an L for Egypt.
     
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