The always insightful Charlotte Clymer details how during this zenith of interest in Women's college basketball, on the eve of the national title game, Coach Dawn Staley has to face a question about an issue that doesn't exist - trans athletes playing women's college basketball. Because of course she does. The cruel obsession from those who largely feign concerns for competition as a rational mask for the irrational. Dawn Staley is perhaps the most accomplished women's coach of all time, on the eve of a championship game. Staley is already "controversial" because she is a black coach in South Carolina, unafraid of speaking the truth. At least one state legislator has already gone there, shamefully, in response to Staley's moral response to this hateful query. Shame on this question and those the questioner represents. Let go the darkness your lizard brain draws you to But yesterday, when Dawn Staley should have been asked about what this all means for the progress of women’s sports as an essential component of American life, a reporter from an anti-LGBTQ outlet asked her how she feels about trans women in sports. It was a trolling question. It was a derailing question. It was intentionally a distracting question that took attention off the historic nature of this moment for women’s sports. It was also a question about ghosts for people who are really into chasing ghosts. There are no trans women playing NCAA Division I college basketball. There are no trans women coaching NCAA Division I college basketball. There are no trans women being recruited to any NCAA Division I college basketball programs.
In response to Chandler Parson's absurd hypothetical, maybe if Zach Edey was voluntarily castrated and was on female hormones for a couple of years before competing. By the way the transgender athlete in this picture actually wasn't that successful competing against genetic women.
I hope that's the reason. I did not know he would state something like that. Very sad. I hope it's attributable to brain injury because otherwise it's just horrific
Was Lia Thomas castrated when she won an NCAA women’s title? And to Parson’s point. Zach Edy on hormones would still score 100 points every night against women. But let’s pretend that’s fair because of virtue signaling.
Chandler’s brain is fine. He had a really bad concussion along with other severe physical injuries. But we don’t like his opinion so this gator great must have something wrong with his brain.
The right has nothing but culture wars to offer so they highlight this nonexistent problem. Their focus on it is nothing more than cruelty for cruelty's sake which is what they love. Transgenders cause no problems in this world. However, their performance in sports is an issue that needs to be figured out. It's a very, very, very minuscule issue, though.
Its pretty useless to use people like this as an example of anything. Edy is a freak among men too, and scores easily on them. There have been a number of trans players in D1 women's basketball and no one has heard of them, because they are unremarkable and havent played for major programs. That's the norm. But everyone always wants to argue on the margins and absurdities like "what if Lebron took hormones."
This substantive debate has been well covered on this board. What bothered me about this episode, and made me think it merited a thread, was the sheer self-absorbed narcissism of getting credentialed for the biggest game in WBB history and making it about your grievance, which wasn’t even part of this game. It’s the self-righteous will to power among this movement which makes them so dangerous. They don’t see or care about others. It was an a-hole move regardless of the larger issue
The question was from one of Clay Travis’s guys, it wasn’t a real question, it was an attempt at a gotcha answer that failed. Nothing more. Chandler’s response was making the obvious point that men have genetic advantages that people seem to purposely overlook in the name of “fairness”, whatever sized sample set you want to take, it’s there. The top 1 percent of men who are the participants in most sports have an advantage over the top 1 percent of women, the average man has an advantage over an average woman, and the bottom 10 percent males have an advantage over the bottom 10 percent of women. If you were to choose the top 100 players in almost any sport, it would be just about exclusively men. The boys under 17 soccer team beat the women US national team (the one that won the World Cup) something like 7-0 in a scrimmage. It’s a profound difference that goes well beyond hormones. Depending on the sport, height, arm length, leg length, shoulder width, hand size, stride length etc all matter. Heck men are less likely to suffer an ACL injury because they have narrower hips and it puts less force on the joint, they can take more chances on moves that stress the knee. Hormones don’t change any of that. So the logical long term impact is that women would be disadvantaged over time. It’s not even really a debatable point. If people want to ask us to accept that outcome in the name of inclusivity, fairness, or whatever else they call it, then have an honest debate about it. But don’t pretend like it’s fair to women just because we don’t want to offend trans folks. Appeasing the 1 percent to disadvantage 50 percent isn’t inclusive, it’s silly. Jmo.
Good points. Very long thought out argument about a very real threat. It should get all the attention we give to coming up with rules about the threat to fairness caused by a total solar eclipse. Cant happen, you say? Were you even outside today? Also, the Yankees felt some shaking from the Jersey quake during batting practice and there was a quake during the 89 World Series. But have they done anything to change the rules of baseball to account for earthquakes? For that matter, how unfair was it that Luke Raley was able to roll one on the top of the wall last year for an in the park HR? No rule changes that I have heard of despite how unfair it was. Hopefully Chandler and Clay can get their mind off of genitals long enough to address these other equally common threats
The ironic thing is that you are doing exactly what they are. Trying to create a hyperbolic argument to make your point. And that includes questioning a great gator’s sanity for making a legitimate point that you don’t like. Further, if we are going to suss through what the laws should be for this long term (and all sides are), it’s only logical to discuss the expected outcome. Over time, if it becomes more acceptable it will become more common. And that’s beyond where it’s already impacted in swimming, cycling, weight lifting etc. Again. If we can’t do that, then it only proves the point I am making.
You forgot sense of humor. Guys have a far superior sense of humor, too. I mean . . . George Carlin vs. Paula Poundstone? Forget about it.
Why would Zach Edey want to live life as a woman (including taking hormones, going through painful surgeries, etc.) and play women's basketball? Why would any man want to do that? Would you want to do that? I wouldn't. It's such an illogical gripe. Yup. Not only is Dawn Staley a HOF coach, she was a HOF player. She won three Olympic gold medals as a player, won the Naismith Player of the Year twice in college, and was one of the best WNBA players of her generation.
By the way, I guess the NAIA a is transphobic and cruel too. They banned transgenders from competing in women’s sports today. And by a 20-0 vote, so they must REALLY hate transgenders. NAIA all but bans transgender athletes from women's sports. NCAA vows to ensure 'fair competition'
Yep, they are. BTW, why haven't 70' buzzer beaters been outlawed in hoops. You think NC State thinks what Chandler did was fair?
