I can assure you that the Javelins, ATACMS, HIMARS, and all of air defense equipment the we have GIVEN Ukraine (we will never be repaid) are not outdated. As you can see, they all work quite well.
It will only be unpaid if we falter in our support for Ukraine (as we are doing now). Otherwise the ROI will be off the charts.
Unless peace is negotiated, of which none has been done to date, the outcome of this war is predetermined and inevitable. Russia wins a war of attrition. If Biden had wanted to resolve this, then he would have guaranteed air superiority of Ukrainian airspace and guaranteed the destruction of missile launch sites back in January of 2020. Putin wouldn’t have set foot in Ukraine. With the approach taken we will have waisted hundreds of billions of $, millions on both sides will have been killed, and Russia will rule all of Ukraine when this is over. If that is not bad enough billions of $ and thousands of items of our military equipment that you call outdated will be in Russian inventory.
This is a great example of a false pretense. Even if the U.S. doubled down on Ukraine military aid, it in no way ensures Ukrainian success. Ukraine's counter had stalled long before U.S. aid was ever in question. In the past year, Russia have had a very small net gain in territory, including two strategic, very gruesome victories for Russia in Bakhmut and Adviivka.
Any failure in this regard is due to lack of will from people like you and your representative Putin lackeys in Congress. It’s disgusting. you were clearly not a part of our greatest generation.
Once again, I am a conservative republican. I'm not trying to insult anyone, but explain what should be obvious. Ignoring a militarily expanding empire = inviting World War III. Huge costs are involved, both financial and in terms of human lives, if that happens. We saw this before in 1939-40, and we are seeing it again in 2022-24. Inflation will be rampant, taxes will be raised, and it will take decades to recover economically from the war. Take a lesson from your grandparents--you do not want to live through another world war, especially where everyone has nuclear weapons. How can you guarantee that ignoring Russia expansionism will not lead to WWIII? Didn't your grandparents insist that Germany's invasion of Poland could not possibly turn into a World War? How did that prediction turn out? We do know from our last proxy war with Russia that nuclear war is unlikely to result from Russia's defeat, as long as Russia itself remains intact. They were willing to endure financial collapse without considering the nuclear button. Letting some central and south American immigrants into the country = cheaper vegetables, meats, and roofs. Yes, there is a slight increase in crime, but overall, these immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans are. So, why don't you tell me which is the bigger concern? World War III, nuclear annihilation, poverty, inflation, high taxes, rebuilding for decades; or cheaper fruits and vegetables, meats, and roofs? This is the opportunity of a lifetime to stop an expanding empire before the war goes global. Will you make your grandparents' mistake? Or will you do the right thing, as well as the intelligent thing? There will be plenty of time to deal with the immigration issue after Russia is defeated.
It took nine years for Russia to be defeated in Afghanistan. You're ready to give up after two (really closer to one, when you consider it took a while for the military aid to start flowing in)? Ukraine was unquestionably winning before we cut off aid to them, even if they were not taking territory (the land was heavily mined). Ukraine has damaged Russia's supply lines, eliminated the Russian navy, wiped out Russia's special forces units, destroyed thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, large numbers of aircraft, and hundreds of thousands of Russian troops have been injured or killed. They were making progress. Even now, Ukraine is now damaging refineries and weapons factories deep inside Russia that will pay off later.
Peace in our time gentlemen. I’m sure the answer is appeasement. It works every time. Dems are dummies for not seeing it. Thank god we have the most functional organized Congress in history to show us some restraint…
The tanks and Bradleys came out of warehouses and are scheduled to be replaced with more modern versions. The F-16's are also in the process of being replaced by more modern fighter-bombers. Also, the Patriot missile defense systems are not the latest in U.S. missile defense systems. All of these systems were developed 40-50 years ago.
You mean, like they did in Afghanistan? That kind of predetermined and inevitable victory? You're embarrassing yourself. No outcome in war is predetermined and inevitable. Read some history books, man. Whoa, cowboy! a) For us to "guarantee air superiority" over Ukraine, we would have to start shooting at Russian planes. Then guess who would be directly at war with Russia? You need to read up on the term "proxy war" and try to understand what it means. Let us know if we can help. b) Russia has been very rarely sending aircraft into Ukrainian airspace. They have been sending missiles into Ukraine, and they have been flying aircraft toward the border (without crossing it) before releasing glide bombs. The Patriot systems have essentially made that happen. So, keeping Russian aircraft out of Ukraine's airspace would help . . . how? Or, Russia will be defeated, and their economy will collapse. That's what happened when we were involved in the last proxy war against Russia. Or don't you believe in history? Also, if Ukraine wins the war, we save trillions of dollars over the next decade. Again, that's what happened before in the 1990's. Millions on both sides will be killed regardless of what we do. Russia will keep killing Ukrainians (although at a slower rate) if they win this war. Ukraine will not immediately transition from warriors to willing servants if Russia wins the war. Russia will do a better job of keeping the killings a secret, if that helps your conscience. Or you could just go out to a bar and get waisted. Your call.
Wow this is a really really bad take. Are you capable of processing data? We are emptying our storage of outdated weapons. The Ukrainian’s are kicking Russia’s butt with what we found in the attic and set by the side of the road. Russias military prowess was mostly propaganda. I honestly wonder how many of their nuclear missiles would actually launch let alone detonate. Let’s hope we don’t find out.
Be disgusted all you want. If you think Ukraine is going to win this then I don’t know what to do with you.
Nice try. Go back to your liberal sources, delete them and find others. I have worked on many of those weapon programs, and while not the most current configurations, they are still damn effective. You can ask Putin about that. These weapons were designed 40 years ago give or take a few to defend against a Russian ground offensive and as you can see they are still quite effective. You libs are really comical. You read what you want to hear and then try to tell someone with detailed knowledge of all of these systems that they are outdated and trash in the attic. So as someone who has worked on almost of the weapons systems in use in Ukraine today and is now trying to figure out how to re-supply our inventory I am quite capable of processing data. Why don’t you try learning how to process propaganda before you accuse people with actual knowledge of not knowing what they are talking about. Russian military prowess is not propaganda. Some of there capability has been overstated over many years but it is quite effective unless their adversary has the ability to outmaneuver and has better equipment. They are ruthless in their use of the weapons they have.
This is a great example of a straw man argument. The post I replied to asserted that we would receive repayment from Ukraine if we continued supplying military aid, as if it was a guarantee. I pointed out it's anything but a guarantee, thus a false pretense. You're attempting to move the goal posts for him, but he'll have to own his statement.
"I have worked on many of those weapon programs, and while not the most current configurations, they are still damn effective. You can ask Putin about that. These weapons were designed 40 years ago give or take a few to defend against a Russian ground offensive and as you can see they are still quite effective." Poster states he worked on these 40 yo systems, but even though outdated and not in use by our military, since they are still effective vs the Russian military...... we better not send them to Ukraine. Scary that such flawed reasoning succeeds with the Cons.
