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Richard Dawkins Laments The Decline Of Christianity In England, Calls Himself "Culturally Christian"

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Contra, Apr 4, 2024.

  1. ajoseph

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    The Ottomans, not modern day Turkey, committed the atrocities (including the Armenian Genocide) in the last 30 +/- years of their 600 year reign. It’s not the same ruling Country. (And I’m not excusing it away at all,just pointing out that modern day Turkey, which has been a cosmopolitan city, is not the same place as it was under the last years of the Ottoman rule.
     
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  2. wgbgator

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    First of all, I'm not sure where you derived that from my post, and also I would say most of the Muslim immigration from recent conflicts has been to Muslim nations. More Syrians have ended up in Turkey than anywhere else.
     
  3. ajoseph

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    Rather than look at the religion, why not look at it in terms of economics -the poorer the demographic, the more children that demographic produces.
     
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  4. ajoseph

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    No … he said that in the late 1800s Zionists started a movement to Israel because they wanted a safe place from Europe, to which I replied they were prescient (given what took place in WW2, not to mention the periodic pograms Jews have faced for the past thousand years).
     
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  5. Contra

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    I will concede that economic well-being could be a variable under consideration in a multivariate analysis to predict birth rates. I don't think you can discount religion because of a preconceived notion. There are lots of poor people in the world, and not all of them are Muslim.
     
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  6. 92gator

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    Your reply to his post. Ima guess you misread it?

    ...and im going to respectfully disagree with your claim here that Muslims are moving more to other Muslim countries than to Western countries, when you have Egypt erecting their own 'Great Wall of China' to keep out Palestinians...
     
  7. wgbgator

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    There's nothing about being Muslim that inherently makes you have more children, so yeah it is kind of racist to suggest they are more sexually prolific because of their religion. The idea that people moving to a secular country with low birthrates will reverse those trends rather than become part of them is a little bit of brown panic at work, sorry.
     
  8. 92gator

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    Ty for clarification.
     
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  9. Contra

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    You've obviously never met a Presbyterian or Catholic family. Religion matters in birth rates. It just does.

    Also, I read the other day Kendi thinks the anti-racist whites are the worst racists of them all. They are the worst racists of them all because they are white and they are fully convinced in their minds they are not racist. So, enjoy the anti-racist hamster wheel where you can never escape being a racist no matter how hard you try. And the harder you try to be an anti-racist the more racist you really are. Enjoy that. I am not getting on that hamster wheel. Nice try, though.
     
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  10. wgbgator

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    Now that you mention it, there are over double the number of Catholics in England yet you focus on Muslims, hmm. Nothing about King Henry rolling in his grave or the Church of England being overwhelmed by popery by making too many babies. Giving up the game a little, eh.
     
  11. l_boy

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    This is pretty much bullshit.
     
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  12. Trickster

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    I hear you and respect your beliefs, but I personally find it impossible to believe in the "supernatural" or that a book written decades after the death of Jesus by the few literate men of that era is 'infallible' and 'inerrant'. Like every human being, they were biased, and they clearly had an agenda.
     
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  13. Trickster

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    I'm an agnostic and don't believe this at all. Americans - Christians and non-Christians alike - are known as extremely giving and helpful people. What Christian organizations do for the poor and disadvantaged is truly remarkable. I've had more than one European tell me this.

    Don't get me started, however, on the hypocrites.
     
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  14. Trickster

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    True words have not been said (here anyway).
     
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  15. Trickster

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    You're vitriol is the reason I've had you on ignore. I've taken you and others off just so I can read what everyone has to say about this fascinating topic. I must say, it absolutely astonishes me that you call yourself a Christian when you make such hateful and un-Christian statements as this (or do you think your god forgives you?):

    "I'll give him credit for publicly stating something most everyone in civilized society intuitively knows and believes, but which our virulently polluted political left could never itself, deign to acknowledge.
     
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  16. Trickster

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    Further proof that you are a Christian in name only.
     
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  17. Trickster

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    I, too, thought the video was odd. I think the essence was that Christianity on the whole is necessary. I'm not sure I agree any religion is except insofar as it sets forth how mankind can live in peace.
     
  18. Trickster

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    My daughter lives in London and says the same thing. She loves the diversity.
     
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  19. Trickster

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    The same can be said of Christianity. As I was taught, Christianity is tolerance and kindness. You wouldn't know it as practiced by many, including several posters in this thread.
     
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  20. Contra

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    On the whole, I'm not sure that Catholics and Presbyterians average higher birth rates than Muslims do on average. I would need to do more research on that, but there are certain kinds of Presbyterians and Catholics who want to maximize the numbers of babies they have. And it is most certainly a religiously driven belief. Like I met a girl once who had 16 other siblings, and she was Presbyterian. And she made it very clear that she wanted to have a family just like her family...that it was a religious conviction.

    There are families like that who help give a large boost to the Presbyterian and Catholic birth rate.

    Islam also has polygamy, which is immoral and wrong in Christianity. I would guess that contributes to some of the higher birth rate numbers.

    And, yes, @l_boy, Islam as a belief system will bring the cultural artifacts of Islam with it. Polygamy has been a controversial political topic in France, which has a Muslim population proportion that is double or triple that of England. That would be an example of belief affecting culture downstream. I would imagine polygamy will grow as a political issue in Europe as the Islamic population grows, and those who oppose it will be accused of racism, white supremacy, Christofacism, and Islamophobia.

    And there will be very little cultural energy to resist this because there is not a belief in a rigorous biblical Christianity to energize an opposition to preserve the cultural artifacts of Christianity.
     
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