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Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

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  1. wgbgator

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    I'm not really interested in what the Israeli War Cabinet has to say, but lets be real, they can make up whatever they want for the reasons I mentioned, they arent a regular army.
     
  2. CaptUSMCNole

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    So you ask where the numbers came from and I provided a link to it so you can judge for yourself. Then you say, I do not trust what the people that have the most detailed enemy order of battle of Hamas say. So who will you believe when it comes to militant and civilian casualty numbers?
     
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  3. wgbgator

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    Since Oct 7, I think a lot of people have died that didnt need to because of Israel and their designs on Gaza and their hatred of the Palestinian people. Whether its 10k or 50k doesnt make that any less true. Only ghouls and sickos would try to argue that "well only 10,000 died and actually their kill ratio is in line with everyone else that is murdering civilians with airstrikes." That's disgusting and inhuman in my book. Step back and look what you are trying to argue. The only people you are going to convince are the people already on board with Israel killing whoever and how many they wish.
     
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  4. gator95

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    You are taking the numbers from known terrorists as Gospel for some bizarre reason. Maybe, just maybe the terrorists are lying about the numbers. I don’t believe the 95% number at all. But you keep believing the terrorists and see where that gets you.
     
  5. CaptUSMCNole

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    I think a lot of people did not have to die if Hamas had stayed in Gaza on Oct 7th.
     
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  6. gator95

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    These people are either Hamas supporters or just plain ignorant to believe the numbers coming from the terrorists. It’s crazy.
     
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  7. wgbgator

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    Seems like another way of saying Israel isnt accountable for their actions, or just changing the subject. Israel was killing lots of people before the 7th too, civilians included!
     
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    I’m sure the innocent souls who got wiped out during the “oopsie” appreciate the apologies. Offering empty apologies must be their version of “thoughts and prayers” no wonder some are impressed and placated by it.
     
  9. CaptUSMCNole

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    You do realize that those workers would not have had to be there in the first place if Hamas had not attacked Israel on Oct 7th, correct?
     
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  10. BLING

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    So Israel cannot be held accountable in perpetuity for anything now? Can always just point back to Hamas, even when killing neutral 3rd parties or violating “safe zones” for civilians, as they’ve done several times.

    This is the bullshit logic that led America into Iraq after 9/11. Evil begetting evil.

    What Israel is doing is not going to end well… for Israel. Many people were already questioning Israel’s endgame before this strike. With their deadly follies this week it would be complete madness to keep going business as usual. I saw that they cut out one of the middlemen they were using to coordinate with aid workers. Although I don’t think that gets to the bottom of it, as the entire road was supposed to be a safe area. You cannot designate safe areas for civilians and then hit the very areas you designate. Even if there’s a HVT hiding its still complete bullshit to operate that way. Can only lead to stuff like this.
     
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  11. wgbgator

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    How far back can we go? The 7th doesnt happen if Israel doesnt exist in the first place. Or the British dont set up a Palestinian mandate. Or Hitler dies in WWI.
     
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  12. wgbgator

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    At the very least it demonstrates a deliberate lack of care which the people defending them insist they are taking WRT limiting civilian casualties
     
  13. gator95

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    Better than partying in the streets. But you keep bashing Israel. Interesting that you don't bash Hamas for killing innocent Israelis or still keeping hostages. Wonder why...
     
  14. CaptUSMCNole

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    That is not what I said and trying to twist my words like that only proof of how weak your argument it.

    Israel is currently in a war with Hamas in the Gaza Strip. It is a war that Hamas started on Oct 7th. Based on the Oct 7th attack, Israel has determined the required military end state is the removal of Hamas from the Gaza Strip. Israel has every right to pursue this conflict within the laws of war and achieve that goal. So until this war is over, it is important to remember who started it.

    I just spent a page explaining how they are doing a better than any other country trying to avoid civilian causalities. And provided links to experts in the field to back it up. But this is war. And in war, you are going to have friendly fire accidents. Israel had one. But that accident and this war would not have happened if Hamas had not attack Israel on Oct 7th.

    And remember, this war would end tomorrow if Hamas surrender and turned over the hostages. Maybe spend a little more time being upset about "why that is not an option" than yelling about the Israelis actions that are necessary because it isn't an option.
     
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  15. CaptUSMCNole

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    So Israel should not exist is in the first place? Is there a reason that Jews should not be able to have a nation in the land they have lived in for thousands of years?
     
  16. higator85

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    Incorrect! Note he not once but twice refused to apologize…

    Anchor Cuts Off Israeli Spokesman During Heated Interview: ‘If You Can’t Answer the Question, Then I Can’t Allow You To Do the Propaganda Bit’
     
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  17. higator85

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    Yes it’s a made up country. To be fair colonial powers and the after WW2 the allied powers did a lot of country gerrymandering so it’s not just them.
     
  18. CaptUSMCNole

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    So there was never a Jewish nation in the area around Jerusalem in the history of that region?
     
  19. orangeblue_coop

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    This will also be the rationale for the next “oops”
     
  20. orangeblue_coop

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    And you keep glazing them