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America Goes Stupid: Education Optional

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chemgator, Mar 29, 2024.

  1. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    You're missing creativity. As you say, knowledge is no longer privileged; it's about what we do with it.
     
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  2. slocala

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    Perhaps. Creativity seems hard to teach. I could be convinced otherwise.

    I have surmised from my personal experience that knowledge stifles creativity because you have more order and defined barriers. Not knowing a topic or being unbiased allows one to creatively approach something with reckless abandonment. Not advocating this… it really doesn’t apply to expansion of human knowledge. It just applies to thinking of new ways to approach the same problem for non technical matters.
     
  3. RealGatorFan

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    But you assume whites or conservatives are staying home. Nothing in your article indicates the demographics that make up the missing students. Many blacks fear Covid and would rather stay home. The one good chart indicates the absenteeism is across the entire spectrum. Seems you have a biased take on things down in Florida.

    Here's my take. Covid changed the way we live, starting with the shutdown. The shutdown changed everything overnight and will never return to normal. You have more online classes which wasn't part of the article - the article focused on in-class participation. Teachers face burnout, so there are fewer teachers. Teachers actually take sick leave when they are sick. I put the blame for all of this on Congress and state leaders who kept shutting down. Sure, we lose 2% of the population if we stayed open, but reading numerous articles and medical journals, the fallout of the shutdowns have affected nearly 70% of the population and an entire generation. I think Gen Z needs a new name, Gen C, for Covid. The worry is some 50,000,000 may not see 50 years old, their mental health took a massive hit during Covid. I talk with my soon-to-be 21 year old all the time, to make sure he's ok. He's in college but he doesn't date - society did that to him. He had an active social life in his sophomore year in high school, then nothing from that point on. The way his peers handle going out completely changed with Covid. He spent the last 2 years of high school in isolation much like every other student his age. There was no prom, no social activities, basically he was a model for how to live on Mars - the present day Mark Whatney. Shutting down was a dumb idea. It was to protect the few, at the cost of the many. We lost over a million with shutdowns with most likely 7 million if we hadn't. Most of those would have been the elderly and those with comorbidities. Yet, to save 7 million, we might lose 7 times that.

    Of course you didn't mention how many might have gone homeschooled. I have a nephew at 10 who has the reading level of a college freshman, who is taking math at the 10th grade level. He's homeschooled.
     
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  4. RealGatorFan

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    You all say Alabama did the same as Florida, yet your chart doesn't show that Alabama was 96 points above average. Look at lowly Mississippi - they are embarrassing the left with an astounding 176 points above the national average. And that's not saying 176 points more than their average, but against the nation. In fact, the red states lead with 7 of the Top 10 best averages. Ouch.
     
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  5. AgingGator

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    I hope the faculty and students are successful!
     
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  6. gatordavisl

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    Hard to teach? Sure, but we can provide the space, resources, and conditions through which people exercise creativity. Knowledge can stifle creativity, but it's also a precursor for it.
     
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  7. AgingGator

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    Agree with everything except the estimates of the mortalities if we had not shut down. I do not for one second believe they would have been doubled.

    And please don’t forget the elderly that were cooped up. Being basically alone watching BS Covid reports and BLM riots on tv left many in a trance they have not come out of.
     
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  8. insuragator

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    99% of this thread is idiotic. My wife is a teacher and sees this. It is not a repub or demo problem. There is also an incredible shortage of substitute teachers. Enough so that admin occasionally have to teach/run classes and they don't have lesson plans.

    I wanted to head to see family in NC for the eclipse, but they have been told no substitutes without a full two weeks notice.

    I was gonna stare at it too :) jk
     
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  9. swampbabe

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    In addition, the idea that knowledge and creativity is mutually exclusive is misguided. One can be a talented, creative architect but you still need to know where to put the load bearing walls.
     
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  10. homer

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    Too bad you can’t teach common sense.
     
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  11. gatorchamps960608

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    Teachers aren't in short supply due to the pandemic. It's because certain state's governors want to lock them up for having kids read a book with non-slave African American characters or characters whose gender identity might not be clearly defined as they wish.
     
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  12. ursidman

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    Creativity can be encouraged and maybe elicited. Techniques, form and structure can be taught - maybe.
    I think
     
  13. citygator

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    You implied students in Florida were doing better than others due to different Covid procedures. You still offered nothing to back that up. You need results before and after and a trend change. You threw up some college rankings. It’s pretty disconnected from your claim.
     
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    What Friedman said is okay in theory, which is that as long as the illegals stay illegal and don:t get welfare and social security they could be beneficial. In the real world Democrats and amti-Trumpers would turn them into citizens and they'll eventually turn America into a ,____hole country, relative to what it once was.

    Friedman also said it was obvious that your can't have free immigration if you are a welfare state.

    I knew upon borders would cause massive harm to America when I was 5 years old (1992). A relative explained it to me.
     
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  15. AgingGator

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    As usual your insight is spot on. Way to go bro!
     
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  16. AgingGator

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    And you can’t fix stupid!
     
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  17. gatordavisl

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    That can be taught too, but requires a willingness to learn.
     
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  18. AgingGator

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    You will get no argument from me on treason and incompetence in Congress. I’ve been disgusted with them since the 80’s. But it’s not just one side of the aisle.
     
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  19. gatorchamps960608

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    My wife's in education and my kids are in public schools. The last time you had to step in a school you learned duck and cover for a nuclear attack.
     
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  20. gatordavisl

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    What is teaching?