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I would think if you have concerns then you would also have a plausible theory for how fraud may have occurred beyond just the "the numbers are higher" which is pretty easily explained by covid and vote campaigns encouraging people to vote early.

In your scenario, if a single one of those people for whom there was a fraudulent mail in ballot voted in person then it would blow up the whole thing. Presumably the fraudsters would target people who haven't voted in prior elections to lessen that likelihood, but that's also exactly where an auditor would look to sample first - voters with no/limited history and people who voted opposite of their party registration.

My point is that committing voter fraud in today's age where ballots are tracked and we can easily identify where someone voted by mail and in person, it is extremely difficult to commit fraud on a wide scale. Trump's attorneys went the computer route because that's about the only viable path, but they had no real evidence and were just throwing crap against the wall to see if anything stuck.

 

So create speculative hypotheticals, and from that starting point, support election denialism.

 

This is a 252 page document, could you at least give us a page number to be checking?

 

While it is plausible to harvest ballots in a mail-in scenario, and it would be more difficult to prove because the pandemic significantly changed people's habits. The reality is, for this plan to have worked, the fraudsters would have had to do this in multiple states, and known, relatively, how many votes were needed to change election results in each. The chances of this happening is extremely small, and there would have to be a group of people in each state willing and able to make this happen, and then keep their mouths shut on how they did it. Again, making the possibilities even lower.

The pattern in Arizona also didn't shift significantly. Arizona has been an early adapter of mail-in voting and I'm on what is known as the PEVL (Permanent Early Voting List). My ballot comes by mail automatically, a few weeks before every election. I haven't voted in person in about 10 years. Why, when I can fill out the ballot on my time and either mail it back or drop it off at a location the week of the election.

While the election habits in GA were different in 2020, again, the election occurred during a global pandemic that turned the entire world upside-down. Were the voting patterns in GA that much different than AZ? Not really.

 

Excuse my assumption when you said if they finished the count there would have been no question.

 

Maybe I can put this in another way that might be acceptable. The other night in the basketball game, I don't think anyone can deny that the refs were tilted against the Gators. Did this effect the outcome? I believe it did. Does it imply the refs were on the take? I don't think so, but who really knows. Was the outcome a Gator loss? Yes absolutely, but do I and many question it? I think so. Do I accept the results and the Gators come home after a first-round loss? Yes, that is what happened. Questioning it does that make me a basketball officiating denier?

 

Except officiating is more subjective while counting votes is objective.

I think a closer analogy would be if you saw the final score of a Gator game where we got blown out, and despite not watching the game, questioned the final score because the officiating must have been lopsided despite not having any evidence that was the case.

 

Weird.

But sorry, there's been zero evidence of widespread election fraud. There have been dozens of court cases, multiple recounts, and "forensic" whatever the hell groups like Cyber Ninjas did, which was specifically designed to FIND any fraud.

But they found no fraud. Re-read that line until you couldn't understand it any better. Because it really IS that simple.

Your weird basketball metaphor and your repeated posting of fake evidence does nothing to change that reality. Sorry.

 

Logical fallacy already being pushed by their orange god: if I lose it must have been rigged.

 

That's exactly what I said. There would have been no question that George W. Bush had won Florida.

 

It's like a crazy game of wack-a-mole where these flat Earthers keep occssionally popping up to explain how, despite all evidence being contrary, maybe - juuuust maybe - the Earth actually IS flat.

"Because it just seems so strange to think that you could sail around the world! And also Gator basketball! "


Oh, wait - this person is claiming 2020 election fraud, with absolutely no evidence or proof. My bad.

Or is it not the same thing, really?

 

…..and that is basically conspiracy theorists. after a point it’s really why keep going back and forth with them.


“Debunking means saying, ‘Hey, look, there’s this fact that your theory can’t explain. So you shouldn’t believe it anymore, right?’ Why doesn't that work? Well, conspiracy theorists are remarkably resilient to that kind of a thing,” Dancy said. “To change a conspiracy theorist’s ideas or susceptibility to the actual truth, you have to change the way that you interact with them.”

Geoff Dancy Political science at Tulane University

“When someone falls down a conspiracy rabbit hole, there are very few proved ways to pull them out, according to a new analysis.

The study is a review of research on attempts to counteract conspiratorial thinking, and it finds that common strategies that involve counterarguments and fact-checking largely fail to change people’s beliefs. The most promising ways to combat conspiratorial thinking seem to involve prevention, “


Conspiracy Theories Can Be Undermined with These Strategies, New Analysis Shows | Scientific American