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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. vegasfox

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    Andrei Martyanov on the collapse of NATO and the West and the disintegration of the Ukrailitian military.

     
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    Col. Douglas Macgregor gives his take on the Ukraine war

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=EaIvM6ZUpaw
     
  3. chemgator

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    I believe the largest ship taken out by a kamikaze was an escort carrier (USS Ommaney Bay), the smallest and weakest of the U.S. carriers. The U.S. operated 78 of these escort carriers during the war. The larger carriers were the 24 fleet carriers and 9 light carriers. From a military perspective, the loss of one escort carrier was not significant to the war or the outcome. And, no, Russia's losses at sea have not been limited to three ships. Keep trying.
     
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    The Russian ships supposedly sunk, that are still very much afloat (including the two landing ships) would be enough to constitute a respectable navy. Keep fighting the war in your dreams.
     
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    Borrell says the quiet part out loud …

     
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    Somehow US Navy ships lost in a war 80 years ago are relevant to the mighty Russian Navy getting its ass handed to it in this war? Lame deflection by the resident russophile.
     
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    In light of the 3 or so ships Russia has lost, isn’t it a tad ironic that the U.S. lost 1,000 ships and didn’t lose ? And isn’t it equally relevant that the U.K. lost 6 ships, in a few weeks, and still didn’t lose the Falkland War ?
     
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    Russia's navy in and of itself is irrelevant to a war with a country with no navy, although Russian ships provided additional missile power to attack children in cities. This war is being fought primarily with the two armies. However, Russia needs its navy to supply the army and defend the supply ships. Logistics is absolutely an important component of this war. And Russia is largely losing the logistics battle.
     
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    In the war of your dreams, yes. But in the real war we see that the two landing ships supposedly sunk were, according to satellite imagery, afloat and undamaged the next day. This tells me that the Russians have enlisted the help of aliens who are able to repair and float sunken ships inside of 24 hours. Never mind China, do we really want to mess with a Russia-aliens alliance ?
     
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    I’m going to disagree about Russia’s navy being “irrelevant” to the war, though I know what you mean. Russia’s navy and the ports that it needs is nothing short than the purpose of the war. Everything else is pretext. Any acceptance of a ceasefire short of Odesa in hand would be an admission of defeat.
     
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    To the last dead Ukrainian it is then!
     
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    Washington is panicking and in despair that its plan to feed Ukraine to Russia, until it chokes, has utterly failed. Russia is swallowing Ukraine, is growing stronger with the resolve of the Russian public only hardening towards the West. This will go down as Washington’s most humiliating proxy war defeat.
     
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    In impeccable English a Russian journalist savages a Western journalist …

     
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    another day, another ship. this time another landing vessel. those logistics just keep getting harder

    Ukraine Strikes Yet Another Ship in Russia's Black Sea Fleet (msn.com)

    Ukraine has taken out another one of Russia's Black Sea Fleet landing ships, according to Kyiv, after Ukrainian forces destroyed two large landing ships and a key Russian reconnaissance vessel.

    The Konstantin Olshansky landing ship "is not combat-capable" following the strike, Ukrainian navy spokesperson Captain Dmytro Pletenchuk told Ukrainian media.
     
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    Most of the ships that the U.S. lost were ships that we were cranking out of multiple coastal ship-building factories at a rate of one every week or two. We had over 40 smaller carriers under construction (not completed) at the end of the war. Russia got chased out of its largest warm-water port a few months ago, and has nowhere the ship-building capability or expertise that larger (economically) powers like the U.S. and China have. And AGAIN, Russia's FLAGSHIP, the Moskva, is at the bottom of the sea. Stop counting the quantity of ships, and start counting the quality of ships. You're just making yourself look stupid by throwing out numbers of ships, when most of the ships lost are very small vessels. You might as well tell us that we lost 3000 canoes during WWII.

    The truth is that Russia has never been a world power at sea. Having nuclear submarines was something that allowed Russia to pretend they were a world power at sea, but their surface fleet was always fairly incompetent.
     
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    This is no secret. I've have been telling people for months on this thread that it is in our best interests for Russia to fail at this war. In fact, it is everyone's best interests, except for Russia and maybe China. That is a big part, in addition to supporting Ukraine's right to freedom, of why we are supporting Ukraine.
     
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    From the article by Pepe Escobar on the Nulamd--Budanov--,Tajik--Crocus connection

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    The Nuland – Budanov – Tajik – Crocus connection
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    Let’s start with the possible chain of events that may have led to the Crocus terror attack. This is as explosive as it gets. Intel sources in Moscow discreetly confirm this is one of the FSB’s prime lines of investigation.
    December 4, 2023. Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen Mark Milley, only 3 months after his retirement, tells CIA mouthpiece The Washington Post: “There should be no Russian who goes to sleep without wondering if they’re going to get their throat slit in the middle of the night (…) You gotta get back there and create a campaign behind the lines.”

    The Nuland – Budanov – Tajik – Crocus connection
     
  19. Gatorhead

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    President Zelenski has remained steadfast that Ukraine will not concede the Crimea. I agree with you and him uftaipan.
     
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    I see it as paramount and huge for NATO, Europe and of course U.S. foreign policy. A legacy of the cold war, a legacy written in blood related to U.S. startegic intrests in big shooting conflicts such as Korea, Vietnam and countless proxie wars.