Push off

Lol ridiculous

 

LOL. Someone else posted that Pullin didn't "sell" the push-off enough.

 

Exactly. Either sell it better or play tougher. Can’t be in between. LOLOLOLOL.

 

Maybe the ref who has called both technicals on CTG has an ax to grind with him.

 

I'm not sure when the officiating changed to give the offensive player the advantage over the defensive player, but driving into a player and pushing off to include elbowing by the offensive player creating the contact has been allowed all season and it was always a foul call on the defensive player when said defender was doing nothing more than holding his position and not reaching into foul.

In this case against Pullen, I'm surprised the ref didn't call a plus one foul on Pullen even though it is a clear push off by the offensive player.

The advantage goes beyond bigs jockeying for position down low which has always been allowed. It's straight advantage to the offensive player. Offensive players got away with this style of play all season, see bama as they are expert at it. The offensive player creating contact was always a play on non-call in the past.

Again, in this case, Pullen was elbowed to create separation for the shot. This should have been an offensive foul with Pullen shooting free throws for the win.

With all of this said, every team including UF has played this way on offense. It's past time to be fair to the defensive players.

 

you may be referring to me… and if so, I didn’t mean he should “sell” it. I thought he was legitimately moved off-balance, and if he had truly fallen… he’d have gotten a whistle. If I am wrong, and he was selling it…. It obviously didn’t work

 

I'm not directing this at you but at the thought of it will never be he called. If they won't call a foul, why not tell Zyon to just tackle the dude? I never got that either. It's either a foul all the time or it's not a foul all the time. I don't expect refs to get every call right. I do expect there to be a universal idea of what should be considered a foul.

 

Even Samuel got a way with it some when he should have been called for a foul. He'd clear out with his arm.

 

"The NCAA Men's Basketball Rules Committee on Thursday approved several rule changes including a modification to the legal guarding position on block/charge scenarios involving defenders around the basket which will go into effect for the 2023-24 season. Under the new rule, a defender to draw a change must be in position at the time an offensive player plants a foot to go airborne to attempt a field goal. If the defender arrives after the offensive player plants a foot to launch towards the hoop, officials will be coached to call a block if or when contact occurs."

From NCAA approves change to determining block-or-charge calls and other rule modifications for upcoming season - CBSSports.com

This is the new rule on charging that went into effect this year. Unless the exact conditions described in this rule are met, a charge will not be called. I haven't seen more than one or two charges called the entire season. However, I have seen, all season long, offense players lower their shoulders and smash into the chests of defenders, repeatedly if necessary, to move them back to open up a shot. It is never called. I've watched offense players use their off-arms to create space. It is not called.

I've stopped watching many games because of this rule. I just can't stand the officiating, which for the most part is due to this rule. It's not basketball. It feels like I'm watching rugby or some equivalent. This is not the same game I grew up playing and watching. If an offensive player can legally create contact to get an advantage the entire balance of the game is lost. I'd rather watch something else.

 

I hear ya. I don’t like it either, was just stating that right or wrong, generally speaking, they let things go a little more there.

 

I don’t disagree that it SHOULD be called the same, just saying it isn’t. I don’t really know what posting a play from a completely different game and crew shows us.

 

I wonder if it was the same asswipe as the no call on the ZP push off. A ref was right there

 

Really? If a call isn't a call at the end of the game isn't called because it's the end of the game then since we are applying rules arbitrarily then why isn't the same applied to a guy for his 5th foul? Also, people have mentioned pullin may get the call if he fell. In the Georgia game the player didn't fall and pullin didn't use nearly the same force or extension to get separation yet the call was made.

The point was to make the completely random application of the rules of the game and why we seem to be on the wrong end so many times. Not to say we haven't benefitted from a bad call or anything. I don't have an answer nor do I believe there is a conspiracy against florida but...something is off.

 

Ref's egos are ruining the game. They're worse with young coaches. Have to show em who's boss.

We got hosed all year.

 

There were 42 fouls total in our game!
More than 1 per minute. 2nd half was worse with both teams in the double bonus. Plus the T.
Yet somehow the same Colorado team is playing Marquette now and SIX fouls TOTAL have been called first 15 minutes of the 2nd half. Not even 1 per 2.5 minutes.
That’s impossible.
So yes refs egos are ruining the game.

 

Tough for Colorado to win when not getting 30 free throws.

 

They show the game winning shot in highlights today but did not show the push off

 

Your comment reminded me of the last second Hail Mary three Nembhard tried to shoot one time (Sorry, my poor memory doesn't recall game specifics like who we were playing) where Nembhard was pretty much tackled but got no call. I guess it can work sometimes, but probably not for the Gators.

Saying the Colorado player "elbowed" Pullin on the last play is underselling it IMHO. That was pretty much a full arm extension with a hand push - not just a "chicken wing" push!

My opinion is that that exact play would be called by most refs in that identical situation.


To prove some objectivity, I will say that Samuel at times this season got away with some pretty good push offs on defenders that were fronting him when a lob pass was made to him under the basket. He was skilled at being not too obvious about it despite creating some good separation, but refs really should have called that a few times on him.

 

Sure - the TV execs don't want any critique of the officials at all. It diminishes the product. I think it was Avery Johnson who criticized a call in one of last night's games. Next comment about 10sec later . . . how each of these refs had worked 15+ FFs. Obviously someone in the booth got in their ear with that knowledge and "encouraged" the play-by-play guy to share it.