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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. duggers_dad

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    It’s a good thing this happened just after the election. Had it happened just before the election Putin would have gotten 95% of the vote.
     
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  2. chemgator

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    Don't you mean that only 15% of Russia's living forces are in Ukraine right now? There is probably another 15% dead and maimed Russian forces in Ukraine. Russia will continue decimating their own forces along with Ukraine's. And the numbers will only get worse once the western military aid starts flowing freely into Ukraine again.
     
  3. vegasfox

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    Several Ulrainian soldiers die for every Russian soldier killed. Early in the war it was a 7:1 ratio. What do you think the ratio will be going forward?

    What ratio is acceptable to you, given Ukraine is being obliterated?

    The Russians are transitioning from "active defense" to offensive operations. As Ukraine collapses do you think the Biden administration cares about Ulrainians dying or is more concerned about keeping the war going until election day?
     
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  4. chemgator

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    Islamic State cancels Picnic. Russia has made themselves look so weak that they have attracted random violence from Islamic State, which claimed responsibility for the attack on the concert hall in Moscow that killed 40 and wounded 145. One of Russia's most popular bands, Picnic, was playing at the concert.

    Well, you sell weapons to anyone and everyone, and you're bound to have some dissatisfied customers.

    Russia says 40 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid, Islamic State group claims responsibility

     
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  5. chemgator

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    Is that what the Kremlin is telling you? That more Ukrainians are being killed in this war than Russians? If you really believe this, why don't you post an article that indicates this, and we'll see if it's credible. Otherwise, we'll assume that it's just another clownish statement from a propaganda peddler. Get a clue, Sherlock.
     
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  6. chemgator

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    Surprisingly, the U.S. warned Russia of an impending terrorist attack earlier this month, and Putin, displaying the leadership he's known for, responded by denouncing the warning as "blackmail". This news should give Russians some confidence in their newly elected leader . . .

    Putin dismissed US warnings about a potential terror incident as 'blackmail' just 3 days before concert hall attack

     
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  7. uftaipan

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    So this morning Russia “wasn’t concerned” with capturing land, but now this afternoon they’re transitioning to large-scale offensive operations? Fascinating. If the Russians get smoke-checked again like they did back in early 2022 — hapless and amateur as they are with combined-arms maneuver — will that be “on purpose” again or, like, a big “deception” complete with abandoned dead and smoking hulks?
     
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  8. vegasfox

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    The US helped create Islamic State and the US has Armed terrorists in Syria. The US has actively protected Islamic State at times. The US armed Al Qaeda and other terrorists in Syria. Russia pills Islamic State and Al Qaeda in Syria in Syria
     
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  9. uftaipan

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    Again, fascinating. Weird that the Russians retreated in poor order from territory they had just, like, annexed by plebiscite in Kherson and Kharkiv when they were kicking so much ass.
     
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  10. chemgator

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    The branch of ISIS working the Moscow circuit is called ISIS-K. They are based in Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, and part of Iran. They believe that Russia has been oppressing Muslims (which they have in the 'Stans), so a lot of their propaganda is anti-Putin. And no, this ISIS (like the other ISIS groups) is not affiliated with or funded by the U.S. The U.S. thinned them out a bit in Afghanistan before the U.S. troops pulled out.

    It doesn't look like Russia's borders are very secure, if they have so many attacks by so many groups on Russian soil. Ukraine's special forces troops in Russia probably have to be careful they don't step on the toes of other groups trying to destroy Russia.

    Explainer-Why did ISIS-K attack a Moscow theater?

     
  11. G8trGr8t

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    Ukraine success at cutting oil production. added on top of the reduction in purchases by India and China is hurting world supply.

    drive up the cost of oil, hurt yourself come election day.

    Ukraine finally found a way to make Russia suffer. The US seems to want it to stop. (msn.com)

    The attacks have reduced Russia's oil processing capacity by 7%, Reuters reported, seriously impacting an industry Russia relies on heavily to fund its invasion of Ukraine.

    But according to The Financial Times, pushback on the attacks is coming from an unexpected corner: Kyiv's most important ally, the US.

    US officials are said to be concerned that the attacks could drive up oil prices and provoke retaliation. They want Ukraine to ease up, per the report.

    The audacious attacks, targeting refineries, storage depots, and other sites, badly dented Russia's oil industry.
     
  12. uftaipan

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    Now imagine if we had increased oil production (and food and munitions) as a war measure back in 2022 like some of us were screaming. What would Russia’s economy look like today if we were supplying India et al instead of Russia?
     
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  13. demosthenes

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    We have literally never produced more oil than we are right now.
     
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  14. uftaipan

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    That might be true. It’s also not relevant to my point unless you’re suggesting we are at maximum production. In war, you have to subordinate some national goals to the strategic main effort, which is — or should be — defeating Russia. The ecological goals will still be there after the war is over. And we could have coupled the production with additional incentives for driving down national consumption, such as greater tax credits for electric cars.
     
  15. G8trGr8t

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    not sure how much more we could have increased other than going deepwater. agree on munitions and food production. cut ethanol, grow grains.
     
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  16. proudgator1973

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    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the Biden administration is taking that position. Gasoline prices have surged in my area in the last couple of weeks. I think at least part of that is driven by fear in the markets about disruptions to world supply. If that fear goes away, prices should come down and make Biden look better
     
  17. G8trGr8t

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    Big refinery in dakota has been offline and Europe cant get refined product from India due to houthi so they are buying more refined product from us
     
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  18. proudgator1973

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    Both of those seem like temporary problems. A refinery goes down in the U.S., oftentimes those are scheduled years/months in advance for maintenance, but eventually it gets back online and the supply disruption goes away. The Houthis problem isn't stopping refined oil products from getting to Europe; it's causing a delay in that now those tankers have to travel all the way around Cape Horn rather than transiting across Europe. I'm not sure what the measure of delay is but suspect it might be worth two weeks time. Neither of these issues is a long-term disruption. Blowing up pipelines or producing wells in Russia is likely to have a longer impact on world supply and prices but taking down 7% of Russia's refining capacity has likely had an immediate impact. Question for me is how long does that last and is the disruption in global supply that leads markets to reprice going to create enought price inflation here in the U.S. for a long enough period of time that it adds to Biden's domestic economic and political woes
     
  19. duggers_dad

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    A poignant reminder that if goat herders are determined to hurt you they can …

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  20. vegasfox

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    You have a 2 year history of clownish posts and getting schooled by duggers_dad. You have what is known as "invincible ignorance." You also suffer from the psychological dysfunction known as commitment escalation, as I previously pointed out. Scott Adams says his superpower is that he can't be humiliated or embarrassed by any dumb thing he posts. .is that your superpower?

    Rather than citing an article, let's think about Ukraine war casualties logically.

    In modern mechanized warfare 65% of casualties are from artillery. . It's been said that it's an even higher percentage in Ukraine. At one point in the war Russia was out shelling Ukraine 100:1 (Ukraine was running out of shells). Forget about that. Many have said Russia fires 10 artillery shells for every shell Ukraine fires. Let's be overly conservative and say Russia has a 7:1 advantage. Russian artillery is better than Ukraine's as well. Russia controls the air and has more powerful bombs. Russia has 30,000 volunteers joining the military every month. Ukraine has had to kidnap men and made them fight (per Scott Ritter). Russian soldiers are better trained. Russians give up territory to protect their soldiers. Ukrainian soldiers being decimated by artillery are told to hold their positions.

    How could Russia have anywhere near the losses Ukraine has suffered?

    Russia has achieved a decisive victory.

    Because the West armef Ukraine with Bradley's, missiles and rockets that have been used to attack oil refineries (successfully) as well as infrastructure in Belgorod, and perhaps because Ukrainian forces have been so decimated, Russia is now going on offense to prevent further escalation of the war. Like I said when the war began the longer it goes on the smaller post war Ukraine will be.