In my opinion, it took courage to stand up to the tyrant. And that courage was tested to the extreme in January 6. And then, at the expense of de facto party expulsion, he stood firm and true to his principles and refused to bow the knee. I believe he courageous and I believe he is a trike real American, even though I don’t agree of all of his political platforms. Take a minute to compare Pence’s principles to others, like Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Ron DeSantis, and the legions of others. The “bare minimum” at this point would have been to remain utterly silent. He did more.
Apparently there are some who are naive enough to think that had that mob on Jan 6 gotten their hands on the likes of Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff , et al that no harm would have come to them. What utter nonsense. There were members of that crowd who would have gleefully beaten and lynched the lot of them ( and many more watching that day who would have celebrated it). Don't kid yourselves.
I’ll grant you Pence refused participating in treason for sure, did not echo stolen election lies, and showed up at the inauguration, which I gave him much credit for at the time. He has been generally calling Trump’s actions “unacceptable” and not in line with the constitution. Could he have done more on Jan 6, absolutely, but I’ll agree it wasnt nothing. Reading the full transcript of his statement it wasnt quite as slippery as I thought. He is very non-specific in his statement though and I assumed the “at odds with conservative agenda” line meant his policy wasnt right wing enough but it might have meant Trump’s utter wackiness and lawlessness we are witnessing is not aligned with a conservative agenda as well.
No fan of Pence, but consider the alternative: He refuses to certify the 2020 results, chaos ensues, Trump gets " new" electors and stays in office. None of that happened due to Pence performing his constitutional duty. That pisses off maga world to no end as they are all angry the plan did not work. Hard core maga still insists that Trump won no matter what is presented to counter that.
If you can find a statement where the jury lays that out, then let me know. In a case with no DNA evidence it is not certain what the jury thought.
The jury found Trump to be liable for sexually abusing Carroll. The act that constituted sexual abuse was forcibly, and without her consent, putting his fingers in her vagina. That is what you are supporting. I don't know why you are choosing to support that. But I can see by your careful use of language that you are uncomfortable with it. You should be uncomfortable with it. You don't have to choose to support it.
Can you find a quote saying I support that? I have said in other places that I do not want Trump to be the next POTUS. I have many people I would prefer before him, but I guess you ignored that. I am simply not on board with the testimony of one person constituting proof, especially against a high profile politician. How easy would it be to pay someone to come forward and accuse a politician of rape? People falsely accuse people they hate, especially when they want political power. It happens. Demanding proof above the level of the testimony of one person for an accusation is not the same thing as “supporting” that person. It is kind of just treating the accused with dignity. Kind of like the Bible does when it requires 2 or 3 witnesses instead of just 1 witness. You are talking about a case with 0 forensic evidence. The case was anything but a slam dunk. If it was a slam dunk, then they would have secured criminal charges against Trump for it. The threshold here in this case was not beyond a reasonable doubt. You don’t know if the jury had a reasonable doubt about the accusations or not. If I say that I have reasonable doubt about the nature of the accusations, then I am not necessarily in disagreement with the jury in this case either.
One person? Do you not know anything about that trial? Do you not think you should cease commenting on it until you've learned something? Do you also think that maybe you should stop shilling for a rapist?
You seem to be struggling with the notion some (a great many) people can be at complete ease schilling for a rapist. I accepted that long ago. They just don’t care. B…… had it coming is a likely refrain. Goes for traitor, seditionist, criminal and a lot of other bad things to…
Once you have your mind made up that the other side is worse (for whatever reason you decide - immigration, abortion, mental decline, massive crimes, trying to end democracy, etc.) it's going to take a lot for many people to change their mind. I have no illusions that Biden is anywhere close to a perfect candidate or president but there would have to be something really, really, really bad for me to consider not voting for him and making it incrementally more likely Trump becomes president again. I think from the opposite perspective, as things come up one by one, people find a way to justify it in the moment, and from that point forward they don't reconsider it again nor are they considering the sum of the items they've mentally discarded. Found liable for sexual assault? He said/she said, libbie New York judge/jury. Fined $450 million? Singled out by prosecutor, corrupt judge. Jan 6th? Technically he didn't tell people to invade the Capitol. Classified documents? Pick an excuse - declassified with his mind, other presidents took docs, they're his personal records, etc.
You can certainly argue that it took courage for Pence to stand up to Trump and the rest of the Republicans who wanted him to overturn our election and, essentially, our democracy. You can also argue that simply doing the obvious and honest thing that he had sworn to do when accepting the position is hardly heroic. But the bottom line is that he did it. If he had followed Trump's wishes, he would have thrown the US into complete chaos. And he did the right thing. He has my gratitude.
His alleged heroism has to be mitigated a bit in that he called around to other republicans like Quayle to try and see if there was any sane justification to do what Trump wanted.
I do. It is largely based on the testimony of one person. There are two friends who say the woman talked to them about this supposed incident days after it supposedly happened. However, there is 0 forensic evidence in the case. There is reasonable doubt that the woman who testified in this case and her friends who say they told her days after all lied to frame someone they hate. Without any kind of tangible forensic evidence the case against Trump was flimsy. People lie. They tell lies to backstab people they hate. It happens. It is human nature. There are lots of people who would line up to tell a lie to destroy Trump if they knew they could get away with it. There is no evidence to the contrary to disprove that is what happened in the case.
One can argue the timing of Pence's heroism. Whether he should have waited until the last day of Trump's presidency or started on the first. But at least he did come around at the end.
Says the two who shill for the most evil and corrupt party in the history of this country, who tried to frame the POTUS with the fake Steele Dossier and the subsequent Russian collusion hoax. The Democrats have been hard after Trump because they are dead afraid of what will happen to them when a man they tried to frame holds the power of the Oval Office again. And they should be very afraid. If you try to frame someone, especially someone like Trump, then he might come for them. They could go to jail a long a long time.
Your opinion notwithstanding, most people would have greater respect for what a full jury believed after hearing all the evidence, including the case made by defendant's counsel. Here's some more info on the witnesses though in case you want to at least be properly informed about this case, which is obviously just one on the many (25?) credible accusations of sexual assault made against the rapist you shill for, when you're not spreading information about the Christian gospel. 11 witnesses testified in Donald Trump’s rape trial. Here’s what they said. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/05/trump-rape-trial-witness-tracker-00095179
