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Protesters in Cuba demand food and electricity as shortages bring hardship

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mrhansduck, Mar 21, 2024.

  1. mrhansduck

    mrhansduck GC Hall of Fame

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    This would be sad and concerning at any time but seems particularly problematic given the number of migrants already coming from Central America, Venezuela, and the recent worsening of events in Haiti. Senator Rubio says that the nation of Cuba is on "the verge of collapse."

    Not saying it would solve the problem, but is there a legitimate benefit to U.S. sanctions, particularly at this point?



    MEXICO CITY — Hundreds of protesters have taken to the streets in Cuba in recent days, furious over the lack of food and electricity. With chants of "hunger" and "we want food," the demonstrations have centered in Santiago de Cuba, the country's second-biggest city, and surrounding towns in the southeastern area of the island.

    They are the biggest anti-government protests since 2021, when thousands of Cubans took to the streets, triggering a massive crackdown by the state. Since then, the economic situation has deteriorated further, and analysts say the crisis is the worst in at least three decades.

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    Cuba's president said in a statement his government will address protesters' concerns, but also denounced "enemies of the revolution" for trying to destabilize the country and accused the U.S. of stoking the protests. A spokesperson for the Cuban government blamed the economic crisis on decades-old U.S. sanctions that have complicated the island's purchase of fuel and food.

    That's partially true, says Johanna Cilano Pelaez, a researcher with Amnesty International. "But it's irresponsible to blame U.S. sanctions alone for the state of the Cuban economy," she says.

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    Cuba protesters demand food, electricity as Rubio says nation on ‘verge of collapse’ from Marxist policies

    Cuba protesters demand food, electricity as Rubio says nation on ‘verge of collapse’ from Marxist policies

     
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  2. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

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    I don’t know. The Bautista’s were horrible leaders, but the communists have been no better. Free and fair elections seem to be a reasonable request before offering food aid
     
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  3. mrhansduck

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    I am not well read on the status quo so thinking pretty conceptually but seems there might be some middle ground between giving them free money and easing/ending sanctions and travel restrictions?
     
  4. wgbgator

    wgbgator Premium Member

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    Americans always think protests in the countries they blockade mean the government is on the verge of collapse. There were protests during COVID too, and similar statements were made. I dont think Cubans hate their government as much as Americans think, and to some degree the government is responsive to them. The sanctions have hit them pretty hard since COVID, getting things like food and medicine has been difficult. I dont think Cubans are craving for America to step in and do regime change, but an end to the sanction regime would let the government stand on its own, and get rid of an excuse (a pretty valid one) the Cuban government can always deploy when things are hard.
     
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  5. sierragator

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    Nature abhors a vacuum. Russia, Iran, China et al love the idea of having a client state on our doorstep. Question is how to play our cards right so Cuba is either neutral or maybe even an ally someday.
     
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  6. wgbgator

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    So why dont we do that with the Saudis or lots of other governments we send money and aid too?
     
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    A good friend of mine's mother still lives in Cuba. My friend uses a Canadian website to order food and other items to be shipped to Cuba. Thankfully my friend has the financial resources because it is quite expensive to ship food that way. Theft/robbery is also a concern from where her mom picks her items up until she reaches her home.
     
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  8. wgbgator

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    They are not a client state of any of those countries. They've pretty much been on their own since the USSR dissolved. They do get a little support from China, but its nothing close to Cold War era stuff.
     
  9. sierragator

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    Not a client state at present, but it cannot be ruled out.
     
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  10. wgbgator

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    We can become a socialist country that should do it, and probably the most ethical approach
     
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  11. mrhansduck

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    FYI, I watched this awhile back and thought it was interesting.

    Cuba and the Cameraman (2017) ⭐ 8.2 | Documentary

    Cuba and the Cameraman

    Life in Cuba over the course of 45 years, from the cautious optimism of the early 1970s to the harrowing 1990s after the fall of the Soviet Union and the 2016 death of Fidel Castro. The focus is on three families and their growth and struggle.
     
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  12. danmanne65

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    I am a big fan of not doing business with Saudi Arabia.
     
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  13. duggers_dad

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    And who can forget how our sanctions forced Putin out of office and weakened Russia ?
     
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    One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. The US embargo against Cuba was first imposed in 1960, partially lifted by Obama in 2014 and fully reimposed by then President Trump in 2017. The Castro regime (actually outliving Fidel himself) has controlled the Island for over 60 years. Rationally maybe it's time for a change in policy although politically that's not going to happen anytime soon thanks to a significant voting block in the state with the third largest number of electoral votes, another consequence of the archaic Electoral College system of electing the president. Were it not for the EC, a group of voters (Cuban Americans) representing less than one percent of the total electorate would not have such a disproportionate influence on foreign policy.
     
  15. thomadm

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    Not going to happen due to strategic reasons.
     
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  16. G8trGr8t

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    cheaper to feed and house them there than here?
     
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  17. danmanne65

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    Well I just listened to a freakonomics podcast about immigrants. We would be better off economically letting almost everyone in.
     
  18. Gatorrick22

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    Not until the shoe drops and the old regime is ousted for good. The with new leadership we can help their people, because if we give them food now, they government will simply steal it. We've been there and done that with countless other countries where their people are in need of food.

    When The U.S.A. was in need of food (from 1929 till WWII) we lived thought it for over a decade... and we came out stronger than every. Let's see what kind of resolve the Cubans have.
     
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    Presumably we’d be at “almost everyone in” if we’d streamline the process for those who want to enter legally.
     
  20. archigator_96

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    Are they still having a revolution? Thought that was in the 1950's or so.
     
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