My point was all Pence had to do was nothing to be on the right side and I bet if he actually had to do something he would have failed back in 2021. Just like now. He is copping out by simply saying Donald isnt conservative enough for him even though we all know he thinks Donald is a dangerous risk to democracy. Pence is so concerned, so gravely concerned, that as Trump's former Vice President he wont endorse Trump. But even though we all know how serious his concerns have to be for him to make a historic decision in not supporting his former boss... he still cant say it. All he can do is blame it on rumors Trump might be wavering on Roe???? Puhlease. He wants to slip out the side door and hope it all works out. He does not want to do anything.
That’s one word for your issue. Not one I would use though. Jellyfish did nothing and offered a mealy mouth non endorsement of our worst president ever who’s major malfunctions are to numerous to list but begin with treason sedition and criming. A true profile in courage. Jesus if he existed would weep.
Your veiled shots at peoples sincerely held faith are noted. As are your points about Trump... that I agree with! (Which is why you lumping me in with the partisans is comical.)
Lol, he only stated he's not endorsing him never said he wouldn't vote for him. But he did state he wasn't voting for Biden
Perhaps the poster refers to this " By BETSY WOODRUFF SWAN and KYLE CHENEY 05/25/2022 01:35 PM EDT The Jan. 6 select committee has heard testimony indicating that then-President Donald Trump — after rioters who swarmed the Capitol began chanting “hang Mike Pence” — expressed support for hanging his vice president, according to three people familiar with the matter. The White House chief of staff at the time, Mark Meadows, was in the dining room off the Oval Office with Trump at one point during last year’s Capitol attack, the committee has been told. Meadows then left the dining room and informed other people nearby that Trump had signaled a positive view of the prospect of hanging the vice president, the panel heard." A mob chanting hang Pence would be perceived as a threat.
Christianity values truth. Christianity condemns misrepresentation of the truth and stretching the truth. What I said is consistent with how Christianity handles truth. What I described does not go beyond what is written in the verdict. It is Christian to handle written documents in a careful and restrained manner such as not to misrepresent what is written in those documents. Again: A jury found Trump more likely than not guilty of battery based on the preponderance of evidence. That is what happened. Battery is not necessarily rape. It could be rape. We don't actually know if the jury thought Trump raped the woman. That is your interpretation of the jury's verdict. You are reading things between the lines that may not necessarily be there. And the jury simply made a decision that it is more likely than not that Trump was guilty of battery. So, the jury could have thought that there was 51% chance Trump was guilty of battery. That is what we know. Everything else you said is not substantiated by the findings of the jury. All of that could be true, and the jury also could have thought there was decent chance that the defendant was lying. Witnesses lie under oath. It happens, and there are women who would have plenty of motive to lie under oath against someone who is widely hated by large swaths of the US population. This idea that a civil case somehow bends reality and brings truth into existence is widely false and a fallacious form of argumentation. You wildly misrepresent the level of objective certainty of the things you assert, which is very unChristian.
Pence has already proved you wrong. We’ve been told numerous times on TH that on January 6 the very fate of our democracy hung in a balance. We’ve been told numerous types that if the rioters have been successful our way of life would have come crashing down. We’ve also been told numerous times and again in this thread that the rioters were going to hang Mike Pence. And yet, at the risk of his very life, Pence defied Donald Trump and refused to do what Trump wanted. Furthermore, in opposition to Trump, Pence took the positive step of certifying the election, making Joe Biden the president of the United States. He did not “do nothing.” He did his duty at the risk of his own life. Please just give credit where credit is due.
Speaking of wildly unChristian due to a lack of truth. There was not a verdict for "Battery." "Battery" was a category of three potential verdicts. The jury was asked whether he had committed "rape" (defined in New York State as him putting his penis in her without consent), "sexual abuse" (defined in New York State as him engaging in sexual contact without the latter's consent (e.g., forcibly inserting his fingers in her), or if he "forcibly touched" Carroll (when somebody touches, without consent, the sexual organs of another). The jury ruled that he engaged in "sexual abuse." I'll provide you the full definition of "sexual abuse" by New York law, so that you can't claim ignorance again if you try to push this falsehood: Summary of New York State Penal Law Concerning Sexual Offenses
With the amount of times Trump has been caught lying in countless occasions (the number is in the tens of thousands of I recall correctly) and caught lying in every semblance of his life, and if Christianity values truth and condemns misrepresentation, how can any observant Christian support Trump? Edit: I did a quick google search to get links for his lies, and there are pages of links. Here’s the first onen the list: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjWiIDzwoOFAxVMn4QIHVyIDCIQFnoECAgQAQ&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/&usg=AOvVaw1tO8dXCDUWB-cL5FZvt4RW&opi=89978449
Pence has proven over and over and over that he is an American first, and a Republican second. At least in my mind.
Wut? Over over again? Get out of here with that weak sauce. At the very least he’s a Christian before he’s an American. He did the bare minimum expected of him at that time, to do nothing. And it wasn’t his idea he had to use a lifeline noted constitutional scholar Dan “Potatoe” Quayle. I get it they are Regressive politicians there’s a tendency to grade on a sliding scale. But let’s not heap praise on him for doing his job.
