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Trump's Troubles

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

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    another stall technique?

    he can post the bond but he can't get the terms he wants. I refuse to believe that bonding companies will not accept real estate but the buildings will have to be valued at covid level firesale prices to be used as collateral as they know they are going to have to fight him in court for title.

    so Trump, the king of the deal, is going to file for BR to avoid bond terms he refuses to accept? seems like the judge would call BS on this and make him come to terms with bond issuers or forfeit the properties required to satisfy the judgement.

    I guess even Chubb has his limits...

    Trump has been unable to get bond for $464 million judgment, his lawyers say (nbcnews.com)

    Former President Donald Trump has not been able to get a bond to secure the $464 million fraud judgment against him, his lawyers said in a court filing Monday.

    Trump and his company need to post a bond for the full amount by next week in order to stop New York Attorney General Letitia James from being able to collect while he appeals. They've asked an appeals court to step in in the meantime and said Monday that they have not had any success getting a bond.

    "Defendants’ ongoing diligent efforts have proven that a bond in the judgment’s full amount is 'a practical impossibility,'" the filing said. "These diligent efforts have included approaching about 30 surety companies through 4 separate brokers." Their efforts, including “countless hours negotiating with one of the largest insurance companies in the world,” have proven that “obtaining an appeal bond in the full amount” of the Judgment “is not possible under the circumstances presented,” the filing said.

    The other bond companies will not “accept hard assets such as real estate as collateral,” but “will only accept cash or cash equivalents (such as marketable securities),” the filing said. He also noted those companies typically “require collateral of approximately 120% of the amount of the judgment” — which would total about $557 million.
     
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  2. citygator

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    Turns out when you lie on financial disclosures its hard to get a bond based on financial disclosures.
     
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  3. gatorchamps960608

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    He either has no options or only an option he doesn't like. It will be curious to see what last second shenanigans occur to stave this off.
     
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  4. ajoseph

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    Now we get to see how ballsy NY really is — will they really execute on the assets before the appeal is run? I really don’t think they will. But I guess we will see …
     
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  5. ursidman

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    Where, oh where will trump find the money?

    Convicted Russian money launderer Paul Manafort: hey, I know a guy.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...aign-role-washington-post-reports-2024-03-18/

    March 18 (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is expected to include Paul Manafort, the former campaign manager he pardoned, as a campaign adviser later this year, the Washington Post reported on Monday, citing four people familiar with the talks.

    The former campaign manager was pardoned by Trump for bank and tax fraud convictions and accusations he hid millions he made consulting for pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    I would hope that the assets, regardless or ownership domicile, would be placed under some form of state control.
    It could be that the judgements, the felony charges, or some combination have triggered some loan provisions or ?? that have his whole web tied up in knots such that he cant leverage any liquidity or equity he has.
    Firesale at Mar-a-Lago? Will Musk post his bond?
     
  7. ajoseph

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    Musk said already he won’t ay Trump’s legal fees, so I assume he won’t put up the bond. It’s very possible a covenant is triggered in his loan documents that would call in his loan, the failure of which would result in a receiver being appointed. That’s a private issue with his lenders, though. As for having his “whole web tied up in knots,” that depends on whether and to the extent the loans are cross-collateralized.
     
  8. sierragator

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    So if he gets elected again, does that traitor Flynn become sec def?
     
  9. gatorjo

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    A reasonable guess. Either him or Jared Kushner.
     
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  10. gatorchamps960608

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    I'm guessing his next gambit is a bankruptcy filing which isn't great when you're running for office.

    Here is another scenario where it's not great that this guy has US classified secrets stashed away somewhere when he is in a cash crunch. Fire sale time, baby!
     
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  11. mdgator05

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    He can't really do that though as the bankruptcy can't protect the commercial property. He is pretty much going to have to hand over the remaining properties that he actually owns (most are licensing agreements actually owned by a variety of people interested in different financial crimes) for sale (or sell them himself and pay in cash).
     
  12. sierragator

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    Can they collect on a sitting potus if he runs out the clock until January 2025?
     
  13. ajoseph

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    A bankruptcy is very likely to trigger all loans. That would be catastrophic to his holdings that have lender financing. (I don’t think it will hurt his election chances; it will likely help him cry the Victim Card).
     
  14. mikemcd810

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    Again, it's not going to matter at all to his base (especially since they think this is a witch hunt anyway), but it's extremely dangerous to elect a President with this kind of financial issues.

    It's really even worse with Trump since his identity is so intertwined with his wealth. Even if on paper he could sell assets to cover what he owes, he isn't going to be satisfied to do so since that would (almost certainly) make him not a billionaire. He's going to try to find someone to bankroll him, and not only that, someone who he doesn't have to monetarily reimburse. A terrible scenario for the country especially since we've already seen the careless regard for which he handles classified information.

    People can complain all they want about how unfair the NY judgement is, but unless he can win on appeal or have the judgement greatly reduced (neither of which are a sure thing), this risk is going to persist.
     
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  15. G8trGr8t

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    Navarro to prison. Finally.
    No pardon for you
     
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  16. gatorchamps960608

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    This is a NY state civil matter. No federal policy is relevant to it.
     
  17. higator85

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    Or thee odious Kash Patel
     
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  18. BLING

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    Why even hide it? If people are dumb enough to vote for that mess one could argue they deserve what’s coming.
     
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  20. higator85

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    And then when you do get a bond and immediately jeopardize the issuer by continuing to defame the woman you raped. No one is taking his properties as collateral. One because of who he is and his past, but also because they’re highly indebted. For instance net of debt 40 Wall Street is worth less than a 100M. In reality in offloading that they take a terrific haircut and it would take time.

    It’s so heartwarming to see.