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Is the Republican Party Basically Now a Crime Organization ?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatorjo, Mar 14, 2024.

  1. sierragator

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    The gop is not a criminal enterprise per se, but they sure do some serious enabling.
     
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  2. vegasfox

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    You haven't debunked anything Barnes has said imo.

    The Espionage Act is a garbage piece of legislation that originally was used to prosecute dissidents. It should have been overturned long ago.

    To say Trump can be prosecuted for Espionage for taking records he was entitled to have to a secure room (SCIF) at Mar-a-Lago which was guarded 24/7 by armed federal officers is absurd. Nothing in the Espionage Act put Trump on notice that anything he did was illegal. As Barnes said, when the law is overly broad and vague, under the Rule of Lenity the law must be interpreted in a way that is most favorable to Trump.

    Contrast what Trump did with Biden's actions as senator. Biden illegally took classified documents from the Senate secure room ,(stuffing them down his pants like Sandy Berger?) and gave classified information to a ghostwriter who was writing a book that Biden had been given an $8M advance to produce. The ghostwriter deleted the info Biden gave him that was on his computer. That was obstruction of justice. Neither the ghostwriter nor Biden was charged under the Espionage Act .

    Garland said he didn't approve of the Mar-a-Lago raid. An obvious lie.

    They said Trump had nuclear secrets. Another lie imo.

    They said Biden didn't sign off on the unlawful raid. Liars one and all.

    What was the real reason for the raid? Trump possessed documents pertaining to Crossfire Hurricane and Russian collision that are extremely damning for Obama, Hillary, Biden, the CIA, NDA(?), FBI and DOJ.. They wanted those documents back.

    The truth is that the documents Trump legally brought to Mae-a-Lago were probably more secure there than at the National Archives.
     
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  3. gatorpa

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    Sounds like a description of both major parties…
     
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  4. gatorjo

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    Except not really.

    The Democratic Party doesn't have a POTUS nominee who was indicted by multiple grand juries for 91 felonies. Nor did they employ nepotism to install a daughter-in-law as a top official in their party committee, and an unqualified daughter and son-in-law as top advisors. Nor was their candidate for POTUS actively assisted in his election by our enemy Russia. Nor do they force out members of the party who refuse to parrot the fake election fraud lies of their leader. Nor do their top elected officials publish laughable misinformation to cover-up the crimes and lies of their leader.

    So other than the fact that only one party commits these unethical, un-American, frequently criminal acts, then.........yeah, sounds like "both major parties."
     
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  5. gatorpa

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    Don’t know if it’s your hate of one of love of the other that makes you so blind….
     
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  6. gatorjo

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    Can't address the actual facts I referenced? (and that YOU omitted)

    I don't know if it’s your hate of one of love of the other that makes you so blind. Maybe you just really love that spray-tanned criminal that wears make-up.
     
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  7. AzCatFan

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    Can I nominate this post as the most ridiculous I've ever read on this board? Is too bad I can only rate it funny I've m I've m once.

    The idea that Mar a Lago was secure is laughable beyond belief. Several spies have been caught at Mar a Lago including one from China, and one from Russia.

    I also want to know which pathetic excuse you're going to cling to? First you say the docs were Trump personal records. Now you day the docs were about Crossfire Hurricane? Both cannot be true. Fact is, if any of the docs were about CH, then Trump is guilty under the Espionage Act.

    Now, if you want to argue the Espionage Act is outdated, you can make a decent argument. However, it was the law of the land while Trump was President, and still is today. And without the Espionage Act, there is no teeth to the Presidential Records Act.

    And yes, neither Biden nor Garland would approve or disapprove of the raid on Mar a Lago. The FBI only needs evidence to convince a Judge to get the warrant. The POTUSV never gets involved with warrants, and I'd imagine the AG would only want to be informed before, and not be involved.

    Last, the DOJ has been consistent on who they charge and who they don't when it comes to classified doc leaks. Like Pence, fully cooperate with return, and chances are there will be no charges. Trump not only didn't cooperate, he lied about cooperating on an affidavit and purposely transported documents to hide them.
     
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  8. vegasfox

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    There"s virtually nothing in my post that hasn't been said by Robert Barnes and Mike R. Davis. Davis was a law clerk for Justice Gorsuch and he runs the Article 3 Project.

    I'll take your post as a tacit admssion that you think Biden should be prosecuted for espionage..
     
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  9. mikemcd810

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    Approved. Pure fantasy nonsense.
     
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  10. mikemcd810

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    This is all I can picture anytime you post "Robert Barnes says" followed by some complete BS.

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  11. gatorchamps960608

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    Remember when Trump's first or second excuse (hard to keep up with them all) was that the FBI planted them? He's forever throwing excuses against the wall to see what sticks.
     
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  12. vegasfox

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    Aren't you the guy who said Putin invaded Afghanistan?

    As for Barnes he is one of the top constitutional and criminal law experts in Am
    He's been called the best tax attorney in America by Alex Jones.
    On the ,#1 foreign policy podcast in the world, The Duran, he is always introduced as 'Tje Great Robert Barnes." That's one of several podcasts that introduce Barnes the same way
    He does book reviews, discuss movies and is known as the #1 political bettor in America.(If not the world).

    I'm 2016 Barnes went to Ireland and placed a $100,000 bet on underdog Trump and smaller bets on Brexit and some European elections. Barnes returned to Las Vegas up $500,000.

    Barnes is known as 'The Lawyer for the Umferfog
    " His favorite TV show as a kid was The Equalizer. Barnes is the equalizer
    He,'s represented Hollywood celebrities including Wesley Sniped. He represented the Covington kids, advised the Rittenhouse family. Trump's lawyers aren't the best but they listen to Barnes. Some of the motions they have filed come from suggestions he hadsde

    Barnes had dinner with his good friend RFK Jr 2 Fridays ago. If Trump wins Bobby K might be appointed "Vaccine Czar: at the suggestion of Barnes. Which reminds me of the hugely important Brook Jackson case against Pfizer. Who do you think she chose to be her lawyer? The man AzCatFan calls an idiot. The man who successfully debated Alan Dershowitz (it was a draw, they agreed on too many issues). Guess who represents Amoss Miller and raises money for his family? The lawyer for the underdog aka "The Equalizer."
     
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  13. mikemcd810

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    No that wasn't me. I'm the one who posted the article about what life is like for people who work in a Russian troll farm.

    He's a tax attorney, not a constitutional or criminal law expert. Repeatedly claiming he is doesn't make it true.

    Absolutely meaningless point and you know it.

    Winning $500k wouldn't make him the #1 political bettor in America or the world. If you know as much about gambling as you claim, you would also know that the true professional gamblers try to remain as anonymous as possible to avoid being banned or limited at casinos. They don't go around bragging (and certainly not about a measly $500k).

    Can't help but notice that you left out that he was one of Alex Jones' attorneys in the Sandy Hook lawsuits where Jones got absolutely taken to the cleaners, especially after his attorneys accidentally sent his text messages to the plaintiff's attorneys that they were trying to hide. There's also this:

    Alex Jones Is Turning on His Own Lawyers in Sandy Hook Case

    InfoWars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones could soon sue his own lawyers, as Jones and his company scramble to blame someone else for their legal failures in lawsuits over their lies about the Sandy Hook school shooting.

    Jones and InfoWars have consistently lost in courtrooms across the country to families of the school-shooting victims who have filed suits over Jones’s claims that the massacre was a false flag. Last year, judges in Connecticut and Texas took the unusual steps of ruling Jones and InfoWars in default over trial, effectively declaring that they had already lost the cases as punishment for their many failures to follow legal procedure.

    Paz doesn’t say in her deposition which of their former attorneys InfoWars might sue. But she singled out three lawyers—Marc Randazza, Brad Reeves, and Robert Barnes—for special criticism. Paz also accused some of InfoWars’ lawyers of badly botching document discovery in the cases, an issue that has plagued InfoWars and prompted accusations from plaintiffs’ lawyers that Jones’s lawyers were deliberately sabotaging the process.

    “The revolving cast of lawyers at Infowars has included some outstanding lawyers who are confident in their own abilities,” Randazza wrote. “It has also included some utterly terrible lawyers who made some of the dumbest moves I’ve ever seen. Those in the latter camp seem to be interested in deflecting attention from their incompetence on to the competent lawyers who compete with them.”
     
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  14. philnotfil

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    I don't know about crime organization, definitely enablers though. We'll see if that changes now that MAGA has taken over the RNC leadership.

    The modern GOP is certainly not a conservative organization.
     
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    You don’t seem to understand that in this country nobody cites Alex Jones as an authority on much of anything and certainly don’t use him as a reference. He is a disgraced man who revealed he was psychotic and shouldn’t be taken seriously when sued by Sandy Hook parents.

    Infowars’ Alex Jones blames ‘psychosis’ for his Sandy Hook hoax claim
     
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  16. vegasfox

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    I stand well intentioned smart people. Jones was the first to expose Epstein Island and hasany other firsts. He comes from the Intel world and has some excellent sources. I could not care less about what liberals think about him. L
     
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  17. BigCypressGator1981

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    feel free to go ahead and list out the comparable things the Dem party has done. I’ll hang up and listen.
     
  18. vegasfox

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    Sorry, had to stop reading your lengthy post where you said Barnes was a tax lawyer, not a constitutional or criminal law expert. Barnes specializes in tax law, civil rights law , constitutional law and criminal law.

    Barnes was prepared to defend Alex Jones in the Sandy Hook show trial but Jones was not allowed to put on a proper defense as I understand it

     
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  19. gatorjo

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    Want to work for this political party? Not unless you're willing to tell shameful un-American lies.

    Was the 2020 election stolen? Job interviews at RNC take an unusual turn.

    Those seeking employment at the Republican National Committee after a Trump-backed purge of the committee this month have been asked in job interviews if they believe the 2020 election was stolen, according to people familiar with the interviews, making the false claim a litmus test of sorts for hiring.



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/26/rnc-2020-election-stolen-trump-hiring/

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  20. mikemcd810

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    That's brilliant. Every employer should do this, although to weed out people for the opposite reason as the RNC.
     
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